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Offline AKcurly

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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2004, 01:13:21 AM »
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Too much ego involved for a "fix",  I think.


No doubt.  Toad, the procurement/acquisition system is seriously hosed.  Too many snouts in the trough.  Have you heard anything about a different approach to design and implementation?

OTOH, I know so little about the process (only what I read,) maybe the military industrial complex has been cleaned up a bit.  You think?

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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2004, 01:14:58 AM »
The F-15 is the fastest, F-14 can break the sound barrier going straight up because weight to thrust ratio.

BTW what were the Indians flying? Su-37's? If so I wouldn't doubt that they beat the F-15's... Su-37 would probably out do anything, though I am not clear on the F-22's performance peaks. Keep hearing different things, maybe they are keeping its manouverability classified. I know an F-22 will be able to out perform the EF-2000 Eurofighter because the F-22 is more manouverable than F-15, plus gotta take in thrust vectoring and all that.

What about the F-35? I havent heard anything about how manouverable it is? Would be great to see one with VTOL capabilites just go into a hover during the fight and make other fighter overshoot.

Also air superiority wouldnt be determined on just fighters vs fighters. US says "we will declare war at 0100". Well by 0030 the stealth fighters with bomb payload are already over enemy territory. When 0100 comes around next thing they know airfields throughout the country are down.

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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2004, 01:44:38 AM »
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no.. then they will go "HEY.. NOWS OUR CHANCE! IF THE WHOLE WORLD COMES TOGETHER NOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE AGAINST THE US!"


Aint never gonna happen.
A comedian I saw once put it best. Went somethign like this.

"USA could never be invaded cause we have something here called rednecks. and these guys have been prepairing for this since 1776.
If they tried to invade florida. All of Georgia and alabama would empty out. by the time the military showed up there would be nothing around but rednecks,pickup trucks and alot of empty shotgun shells and beercans"

Then can you imagine them trying to get into our inner cities??

LMAO the people in this country are nuts.
We'd make the rag heads and gooks look like kindergarden schoolchildren
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For those who wish to know
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2004, 02:25:50 AM »
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Translation:  the USAF wants more $$.


lol what I was thinking, the USN alone could probably take on the rest of the world's air forces and probably win....

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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2004, 07:13:54 AM »
"Any votes on China being the worlds next super power?"

You can bank on it.

And they're essentially doing it in some ways that the US did. By cornering global manufacturing. Made doable by the use of an essentially unlimited supply of super cheap labor, unencumbered by unions,  labor laws or human rights, and with a total disregard for any environmental impact by said manufacturing processes.

And soon China will start to "protect" thier international "interests."  They'll have to secure sources for steady, reliable natural resources (oil) while subjugating competative threats (Taiwan) and to do so they wil need to be sure they have the means to do it against an old superpower such as the US.   A "superpower"  who's stretched to the max trying to fight a war in Iraq against just guerrillas and terrorists.  



( you can bet that China does not want the US and UK to control the Middle East oil spiggot as China right now, I believe, is the largest consumer of petroleum products. They want access to it and they want it cheap. Fr sure they they've got a hungry eye on the fields in Siberia....)

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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2004, 07:29:32 AM »
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Any votes on China being the worlds next super power?


...-Gixer


Zhong gou zhui hao, zhong gou zhui hao :D :D :D
« Last Edit: June 25, 2004, 07:58:46 AM by lada »

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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2004, 07:31:36 AM »
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  A "superpower"  who's stretched to the max trying to fight a war in Iraq against just guerrillas and terrorists.  


This country is nowhere near "stretched to the max" because of the Iraq war...  

And dnot give me any crap about the longer deployments and extensions, those are just measures taken because - for whatever reason - the military/politicans dond want to increse the size of the military and not because we can't.

The US military is the only force in the world capable of any sort of large scale global operations now and into the foresseable future.

You must be crazy not to see that.

However I do agree that China will likely try be the next superpower and even agree with your assesement as to how they are going to try to do it.

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« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2004, 07:32:59 AM »
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Zhong gou zhui haoi, zhong gou zhui hao :D :D :D


Ahh yes lada... USA hater #1!

I do hope that China becomes the #1 superpower in the world just to see them squezze ungreatful eastern european watermelon countries like yours...

You're gonna be crying lke a little baby for mommies titty and whishing for the good old days of the evil USA...

But yea, be happy. Europe uses a hell of a lot more mid east oil than the USA for their overall oil supply... You will simply love it when china dominates mid east oil...

20 euros per liter? 30?

Yea gung ho zhui gou hou bing bang  up ur ***

You really are that stupid, aren't you lada?
« Last Edit: June 25, 2004, 07:37:41 AM by GRUNHERZ »

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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2004, 07:33:51 AM »
"You must be crazy not to see that."

 Not in the least.   Better read up more on it Grunherz.

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« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2004, 07:36:33 AM »
More on what westey, yiur answer is very vague.

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« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2004, 07:50:34 AM »
Not vague just short.  I'm off for a 3 day weekend so I'll follow up on it more Monday...

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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2004, 07:53:53 AM »
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Ahh yes lada... USA hater #1!

I do hope that China becomes the #1 superpower in the world just to see them squezze ungreatful eastern european watermelon countries like yours...

You're gonna be crying lke a little baby for mommies titty and whishing for the good old days of the evil USA...

But yea, be happy. Europe uses a hell of a lot more mid east oil than the USA for their overall oil supply... You will simply love it when china dominates mid east oil...

20 euros per liter? 30?

Yea gung ho zhui gou hou bing bang  up ur ***

You really are that stupid, aren't you lada?



well nothing personal, but you seems to be  Euro hater no.1 w/o sense for humour

and whats worst w/o any knowledge of Eastern europe.

We are happy to have good relationships with ME, we dont have to vulch them to make bussines with them

 and about price of oil ... IMAO in past year price of oil product  has been raised by 3-5% here ..... what about your country ? ;)

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« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2004, 07:58:38 AM »
A "superpower" who's stretched to the max trying to fight a war in Iraq against just guerrillas and terrorists.


Pull that out of your ass?

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« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2004, 08:34:46 AM »
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I'm actually curious but exactly how do you know it doesn't having cutting edge technology?  Ever even worked one?  Or do you only go by internet data and civilian published books?  Not being a jerked but asking a legit question when it comes to the F-15 and it's capabilities.


Ahem....  not that I mind a discussion on the future of China, but to get back to the original thread for just a moment....


I've been lucky enough to ride along in an F-15 during 1v1, 2v2, and 4v4 engagements, so while I may not know a lot of the numbers or anything, I've got some idea of how it flies in a fight.  I have also talked to F-15 pilots at Tyndall who have flown against the F-22.  To hear them talk, they'd go home with their tail between their legs and their jaw still on the floor of the cockpit every time because the 22 can do things that the 15 can't even dream of.  One guy said that he started off 9k behind a 22 and within 270º of turn the 22 had a shot on him and there was nothing he could do to get away from it.  It's an awesome capability that the AF needs if they want to stay ahead of the rest of the world.  If there's one thing we despise, it's a fair fight.

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« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2004, 08:46:15 AM »
Simple.

Stop funding the United Nations and
build the jets.

Oh, and while we're at it, pull all of
our troops out of Europe.  Sure, it will
damage certain economies over there
and will cause them to start ponying
up more for their own defense but hey,
we need 'em elsewhere.

:D
« Last Edit: June 25, 2004, 08:48:32 AM by StracCop »