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Offline Sundowner

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U.S. warned it could lose air supremacy
« on: June 24, 2004, 03:13:48 PM »
U.S. warned it could lose air supremacy

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- United States must modernize its fighter jets to maintain air supremacy, a top Air Force general said Wednesday citing the success of advanced Russian-made jets against American planes in a recent exercise as signaling an erosion of its overwhelming advantage.

Gen. Hal Hornburg, head of U.S. Air Combat Command, said a U.S. air-to-air exercise with the Indian Air Force in February, in which India used Russian jets to defeat aging American F-15Cs, revealed "that we may not be as far ahead of the rest of the world as we once thought we were."........

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/23/airforce.supremacy.reut/index.html

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Offline ra

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2004, 03:15:02 PM »
Translation:  the USAF wants more $$.
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Offline TheDudeDVant

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2004, 03:18:25 PM »
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Translation:  the USAF wants more $$.


I agree 100%.. They want their f22..

What do you guys think the odds are that we went to these mock fights with India will the sole purpose of loosing? If this is the same article I have already read, we lost like 90% of the engagments? In my mind that would be very hard to do..
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Offline Shuckins

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2004, 03:29:55 PM »
The F-15 first went into production when I was 19.  I am now 50.

Thirty-one years as our front-line fighter is enough.  It no longer represents cutting-edge technology.  The design of the F-14 is even older.

It is time for an upgrade.  From what I have read of it's capabilities, the F-18 "Super Hornet" is not an upgrade.

We cannot maintain our supremacy without spending the money.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2004, 03:30:41 PM »
Too much ego involved for a "fix",  I think.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2004, 03:33:27 PM »
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"We cannot maintain our supremacy without spending the money."

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I concur.

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2004, 03:53:28 PM »
If you want to dominate the Su27 series the way that the F15 dominated the Mig 23-Su15 you need something like an F22.
They had no need to "throw the match" the Indians know what they are doing and the best of the SU series is at least equivilent to a late model F15.

do you want that level of supperiority again? Its going to cost. Did the airforce go out of their way to demonstrate the obvios. Yes. But no one was listening to anything else.
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Offline Gixer

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2004, 04:40:27 PM »
Sounds like the Generals want their $$$ and new toys.  Or maybe their worried that not only will China be the worlds biggest economy and military in the world in 20 years time but also the best equipped.

Any votes on China being the worlds next super power?


...-Gixer
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2004, 04:47:22 PM »
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Any votes on China being the worlds next super power?


yes, historically the worlds "super-powers" have traversed from china westward and back again.

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What do you guys think the odds are that we went to these mock fights with India will the sole purpose of loosing? If this is the same article I have already read, we lost like 90% of the engagments? In my mind that would be very hard to do..


so what, it displays the obvious, that your fighter planes are antiquated and the equivalent to a spitfire v in 1945...
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2004, 05:15:22 PM »
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it displays the obvious, that your fighter planes are antiquated and the equivalent to a spitfire v in 1945...


Really? Then how do the MiG-21's add up in the equation?
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2004, 05:17:51 PM »
It's not just about the aircraft though, is it? it's about the guidance systems and the avionics, the jamming etc. the aircraft now is just a delivery platform...isn't it?

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2004, 05:18:03 PM »
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Sounds like the Generals want their $$$ and new toys.  Or maybe their worried that not only will China be the worlds biggest economy and military in the world in 20 years time but also the best equipped.

Any votes on China being the worlds next super power?


...-Gixer


You can hardly fault the generals for wanting the best weapons money can buy. It is their job to wage and win wars afterall.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2004, 05:29:02 PM »
What do you guys think of the some of the Air Force projections speculating that with more and more modifications, the b-52 might see another 25-30 years of service?
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2004, 05:31:54 PM »
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What do you guys think of the some of the Air Force projections speculating that with more and more modifications, the b-52 might see another 25-30 years of service?


Ever read "Flight of the Old Dog"?
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2004, 05:44:11 PM »
B-52 program has rendered a lot of valuable service to the U.S. Air Force.  But it can no longer operate over any battlefield where the U.S. does not have TOTAL air supremacy.

Can't believe that there would be any possible use for them 25 years from now.  Attempting to stretch this 50 year old design for that long would demonstrate a callous disregard for the safety of the men forced to fly it.
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