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[Toad]

This method work fine the first three times for my 15 year old boy ever tried to takeoff in this game..once in the spit, once in the 109 and once in the 51..right down the runway.

1. Start Engine
2. Hold Stick FULL AFT
3. Firewall throttle
4. Slowly add a TINY bit of rudder to keep ball centered <step on ball>..keep ball centered throughout T/O roll.
5. At first stall rattle, E-A-S-E nose down (stick forward) till tail comes up (gentle on rudder...don't change much)
6. At 140 kts or so, E-A-S-E stick back.
7. At Positive Rate of Climb, raise gear.
8. Trim with autopilot, if desired.

Worked every single time. Try it, you'll like it.

[indian]

This kid wants jet graphics in a WWII flight sim. Must be young because they dont teach much in school these days Bovine is a cow stupid. Yuo want all that stuff you asked for you are in the wrong type of game go to gamestorm they have all that digital junk in Airwarrior III. I can tell you now they wont put it in this game ever.

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[Minotaur]

Thanks Indian;

Finally a personal insult...

Mino

[aircat]

Indian,
he was making a note we ALREADY DO have digital readout... the gun counter :Þ...
he is saying he wants better grafical feed back such as smoke rolling out from under the couling (sp?) when there is a oil, radiator, coolent leak.... bullet riddled sides... he was making mention as to how far this sim is from reality to make adjustments for game play... this is where the creators have to make adjustments and admendments... someone askes for this or that for realism and they tell us cant for game play... flip side is ask them for something for game play and they tell us its not realistic.

[Teapot]

I think that we are all pretty much agreed that we want the flight model of the sims we fly to be as realistic as possible.
The way I understand FM is the physical handling characteristics of the virtual aircraft we fly.
Where I think people tend to disagree is the implementation of additional elements which might not be historically correct, such as the digital readouts  . Personally, I would prefer a historical representation of the cockpit, but I can live with the current cockpit sets  
However there is one thing of which I am very wary. And that is when people suggest adaptations to the handling characteristics (FM) to facilitate game-play.
Especially when there is a back-handed comment such as 'it will turn a lot of people off the game' ....
When such an attitude exposes itself, those of us who value the stated aim of AH to re-create accurate FM, naturally worry that the thought might taint HTC's thought processes and that (horror of horror's) they might dilute the fidelity to appease those whose idea of 'good gameplay' differs so much from ours  .
FWIW, I applaud the stand HTC are making. Sort of a combat flight simulation high moral ground, where 'harlots' (the weak excuses for flight sims) abound. Please HTC do not give in to tempation, but deliver us from luke-warm flight models etc etc etc.
I sincerely hope that there will be enough of us who are unstinitingly hard-core(with regard to flight modelling) to make this venture worthwhile for the makers of AH.
It appears there are many on this forum who feel the same way.
BTW I have never flown these aircraft in RL, and I do get my information from people I consider to be more knowledgable than me  . If you don't know already, PCTest Pilot posted their VERY favourable impression on the FM not long ago.

I don't care if its harder or easier, but I do care if its not representative of the real character of the warbird being modelled.

Graphics on the other hand is an entirely different issue, and where discussion of game visual stimulus should be.

Cheers
Teapot.

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[Kraut]

I found the take offs & landings,high speed bleed off, a little more difficult than WBs & much more so than AW2/3. But, I think this sim has the greatest FM & groundhandling of all the ones I've tried over the last 5-6 years. Please, please, don't dumb it down. Some kites required mre constant triming,109s for an example, than 190s. P51s were always tricky that's why they suggested using fuse fuel first. I to have friends who complained about the FMs of WBs & AW2/3. They would sooner fly the "easier" sims with settings down low to wrack up high kill rates. That's not my idea of having fun. This instant gratification ideology doesn't last where if there's a fairly steep curve, it does. This only applies to the ones who like challenges & take satisfaction in "how" games/sims are won. Not so much the "winning". To me, winning is just the icing, it's not the cake. If one is having reasonably good "meals" of meat & potatoes, the icing comes easier. IMO.
FWIW,
Good Hunting!
Ps. IMHO, this is the best sim for FMs, & other things, that has come down the pike, ever.

[Westy]

Hey. I'm from AW3 and I'm not having a tough
time in the least. I'm not racking up 4+ kill flights cause my aim still sucks  

-Westy

[Minotaur]

Well OK <snicker> I now know that bovine is a cow.  My schooling is obviously inferior, but I'm a fast learner.

In reference to recent comments, of "his bovineness", I can construe the following.

his indicating male
bovine indicating cow
ness indicating the highest position
bovine a derivative of devine

So, after further thought, thanks Curly you have named me the KING BULL  .  Up till now I thought I was only a bad Bulltoejamter.  Thanks again.  Whoa, here I go, EGO ahead at full speed!!!

More on FM and trim.  

I have not said at anytime that I hated the FM or wanted it diluted.  I just have not said that I HATE AUTOPILOT.  I just force myself to use it, instead the of constant attention required to keep the plane trimmed.

Autopilot is unrealistic, it is just ingrained into the paradigme mindset, and is OK.

How many devoted FM trimmers ever use AUTOPILOT?  

How many Hardcore Sim Pilot's are really just taking advantage of this concession made by to the program design, for gameplay?

Mino

[Zanth]

Hehe, whenever I'm ready for a good laugh I drop by these boards.  Y'all crack me up  

[Curly]

> So, after further thought, thanks Curly you
> have named me the KING BULL

 Huh?   You're way off there holstein.
 FULLA BULL is the closest translation.

 Curly

[Surfer]

My only problem with the autopilot is how it reacts initially once engaged. Obviously, this will be addressed in future builds.

Remember, this is a 'real' beta.

BTW, I use the AP and all three trim axis as a routine. For the build levels, I feel the FM is great and will improve over the numerous upcoming builds throught the next few months.

Personally, I'm loving this sim. I cancelled my Warbirds account a couple weeks ago, and only fly AH now for my online WW2 action.

YMMV.

-Surfer
=<XXX>= Tres Equis

[Minotaur]

Thanks Toad;

I tried your method, and <hickup> it really works well.  I can get off in 75% of the runway now.  Thanks again  

BTW experimenting with otto, take off is even easier.  Try this.  Begin your roll, with hands off the stick.  Stay on bubble using rudder, until you hear the stall rattle.  Hit X (autopilot), and firewall the throttle, leave your hands off the stick and feet off the rudder.  The plane veers leftward but it is smooth out there and nice and flat  .  At 150 knots yank the stick back, and up in the blue you go.

A quick question, anyone know what the heck a holstein is???

Mino

[aztec]

Yup...a black and white representation of the Bovine species, prized for it's high production of milk. BTW they also come red and white but are much rarer than the aforementioned color scheme. Theyr'e flight model leaves much to be desired (and we're all glad of that), but theyr'e ground handling characteristics are quite well developed. Hope this helps.....az  

[Firefox]

Mr Taur,

I have to ask this as all the poeple that I have helped, the biggest problem with control was the easiest to fix.  This is not ment as insulting, but Ive found almost none have done it.

Did you calibrate your stick in AH.  Under set up and Joystick there is calibrate.  After you run your stick/rudder/throttle through the paces click ok and then ACCEPT (this is the part most miss).  

Try that.  I fly all the aircraft with out any difficulty, hardly have to hit the trim (I fly with out A/P most of the time) and rarely hit black/red (Gentle on the stick).

Let me know  if that helps.

ALSO, Realistic type flight models are just that. And a pilot once taught me that Airplanes are like women.  

Treat em Gentle and kind and they will respond.

Trea em ROUGH and manhandle em and they will BITE YOU IN THE ASS!!!


I fly that way and Never really had a big problem as long as Im nice.  When I get hamfisted is when I get dead.



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Rick "Firefox" Scott
VMF-214 / MAG 11
WB ID: firefx
AH ID: FirefxAT
Have Gun Will Travel

[phaetn]

Minotaur: kudos for having the courage to ask questions when you don't know the answer rather than just pretending that you do.

Don't know that many people on this board would do that.

I also don't think it can escape your notice that the reference to cows has to do with your chosen call sign: the mythological character that was half man and half bull, imprisoned in the labyrinth by Daedalus on the island of Crete (and home to the Minoan civilization that led to the Gk mainland one).

Curly, you surely made me laugh out loud when I read your "boviness" remark.  Mino: well done to take it all in stride and decronsruct what he meant by it.  

Cheers,

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