Today is the Day

[xrtoronto]

Originally posted by RTStuka
In bowling for colombine he stresses the point that violence in america can be linked to the fact that we are constantly bombarded with it in the media.

i've got a copy of Bowling for Columbine on DVD and can tell you that he doesn't say anything about a link between violence being linked to media violence.  Moore does address the topic of violence in media and says Canada, Germany etc all over the world have the same amount of media violence as the US, we all watch the big name hollywood movies.  Lots of similarities in western culture, except in the number of handgun murders. It's a good question.

number of handgun murders per year:

Germany 365

Canada   165

Australia  115

Japan  39

USA approx. 12,000

(canada & aussie numbers 'guessed' but close)

[RTStuka]

lol XtrmeJ, well is at least horribly stupid enought to pay to watch.

[Nash]

Yeah... WOOHOO a spiderman sequel. Will he swing from a building this time or maybe a moving TRAIN?!!!

XtrmeJ... It's merely bad timing (and I feel bad for them) that the only other competition they can point to atm is a comic book character. Spiderman will own the box office, fer sure... but it is still spiderman.

Go see yer movie. Evaluate it on your own. If it sucks, come here and say so. Because, you will be in a rare position of criticizing it after actually (shocker) SEEING it for yourself.

[XtrmeJ]

Yah very true Nash. Whatever, swinging from one building to another can be a very unfair comparison.

RTStuka. Yah go see it. I would'nt necessarily recommend it. But it is pretty funny. Go see it and tell me how ya liked it.

[moose]

im only going to see spiderman 2 cuz of kirsten dunst

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by xrtoronto
i've got a copy of Bowling for Columbine on DVD and can tell you that he doesn't say anything about a link between violence being linked to media violence.  Moore does address the topic of violence in media and says Canada, Germany etc all over the world have the same amount of media violence as the US, we all watch the big name hollywood movies.  Lots of similarities in western culture, except in the number of handgun murders. It's a good question.

number of handgun murders per year:

Germany 365

Canada   165

Australia  115

Japan  39

USA approx. 12,000

(canada & aussie numbers 'guessed' but close)

yea so this is were he sucks....because other nations dont have a problem w/ media violence and entertainment glamorization it cant possibly be a contributing factor.....

hell canada's our neighbor and they have NO problems what so ever so therefore big bad evil America is to blame......its not the people that pull the triggers....its the guns that just go off by themselves!

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by moose
im only going to see spiderman 2 cuz of kirsten dunst

crazy beautiful.....and spiderman  (wet T shirt scene)


GGGRRRROOOOWWWWLLLLLL

[RTStuka]

The bottom line for me is just that this guy makes a movie which infact tells us the same things we already knew, there was no new and amazing secrets revealed. But in doing this he drags up issues that some people were just starting to cope with and deal with now they have to live it all over again. I agree gunslinger, if this man is so self-righteous and a socialist why is he not allowing people to veiw his new film for free, or at least only making enough money to pay for the creation of it. To me he is just another individual on the extreme side, and that is what is the biggest problem with this country and the world, people are unable to meet in the middle, Hard line left and right wingers wont take a second to open their eyes and belive in other views.

[xrtoronto]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
y therefore big bad evil America is to blame

that thought has never entered my head before...to me, those statistics are just that, stats. Doesn't imply anything at all. Doesn't mean you're good or bad or anything else and no blame. To me, given the data, it's an interesting question.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by xrtoronto
that thought has never entered my head before...to me, those statistics are just that, stats. Doesn't imply anything at all. Doesn't mean you're good or bad or anything else and no blame. To me, given the data, it's an interesting question.

but do you think that:

1.  Guns kill people

or

2.  People kill people

the kids at columbine could have just as easily used big knives and gasoline.....

Bowling for columbine was about ANITI GUN and that's it.  He came to his own conclusion and didnt really prove any of them.

Just my thaughts at least

EDIT:

Larry the cable guy said it best:  "if you can blame guns for killings than I can blame my pencile for misspelled words"

[Nash]

Originally posted by xrtoronto
that thought has never entered my head before...to me, those statistics are just that, stats. Doesn't imply anything at all. Doesn't mean you're good or bad or anything else and no blame. To me, given the data, it's an interesting question.

good man.

[xrtoronto]

Originally posted by RTStuka
Hard line left and right wingers wont take a second to open their eyes and belive in other views.

Well said!

[XtrmeJ]

Nicely said RTstuka. Sad, but true.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by xrtoronto
that thought has never entered my head before...to me, those statistics are just that, stats. Doesn't imply anything at all. Doesn't mean you're good or bad or anything else and no blame. To me, given the data, it's an interesting question.

I dont see how attacking the NRA is interesting.  The NRA does not condone violence nor violent use of guns yet this is one of Moores targets.  In fact the NRA teaches more gun safety classes than any other organization in the US.

Sorry but Moore comes to his own conclusions without proving one of them.....truth of the matter to ME is this:

Poverty creates crime

the media reports it

hollywood glamorizes it

(in this case) well to do white kids emulated it


Has nothing do with the NRA or Gun laws or Gun control.  and those are the things he went after.  Kinda wonder what motivates him to do this?

[XtrmeJ]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I  Kinda wonder what motivates him to do this?