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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2004, 09:13:29 AM »
the more popular the movie the sooner moores justified downfall will be.

It will come from two fronts...

(1)  the well known and dependable jealosy and pettyness of the left...

(2) popularity will raise questions about the truthfullness of his films that will be a house of cards... once he has blood on him he will be pecked to death...

If his collapse hapens before the election it will sour even more people on the left and reenforce the the popular notion that the left allways resorts to lies to get their point across.

Give me an hour of interview footage with moore and I could make a "documentary" on him that proved everything from him being a bedwetting pedophile to him addmitting that he was an agent for the taliban.

That is why he doesn't give interviews... he knows what can be done with em if the interviewer or editor is a big enough scumbag..

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« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2004, 09:55:27 AM »
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because Mr. Moore is a socialist and beleives in redistribution of wealth I am going to download his movie w/o paying for it and watch it w/ a grain of salt  :aok


If Moore believes in redistribution of wealth so much, he should start off by donating ALL his to the DNC to help promote his distorted views.
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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2004, 10:18:39 AM »
For those of you who are going to go see the film tonight, give us a review of it. I plan on waiting for the DVD version like I said before, but I'm still curious about what this guy is trying to say.

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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2004, 10:20:51 AM »
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Wow! So many ppl that have seen BFC and no one got the point?

Moore's main point was the guns themselves wasn't the problem ... Canada had lost of guns too, but not the crime rate. Nor was the problem glorification of violence in movies etc. The rest of the world watches the same movies. His main point was that the media's focus on violent crime, blowing it out of proportion, is making Americans paranoid and afraid. If you're told all the time that danger is all around, sooner or later you will start to believe it ... and act accordingly.

I thought that point was valid ... although his attack on Heston was unnecessary and stupid IMHO. The NRA is not the cause of violent crime in the USA.


I didn't see BFC, because it would profit the scumbag that filmed it. I wouldn't put a dime in that sumbeech's (southern expression of disdain) pocket if I thought it would give him a hernia.

I can't see where the media focus on crime supposedly making Americans paranoid and afraid is the driving point behind gun violence in general and the actions of Harris and Kleibold in particular. So I think Moore had no point at all.

Look, the driving force behind violence is people. Paranoia and fear isn't what's making the violence happen. Its anger, jealosy, greed, and a host of other human ills. People aren't shooting other people (at least in the sense of committing a crime) out of fear and paranoia. We don't have a big problem with scared people shooting other people, we have a problem with criminals shooting people for some sort of personal gain or satisfaction. Like the satisfaction of killing someone they hate, or the gain of material goods or getting away with a crime.

With regards to Harris and Kleibold, the paranoia involved may have been paranoid schizophrenia. These were two sick and deluded individuals. The media didn't make them paranoid and scared, and cause them to go on a killing spree.


I agree, the attack on the NRA and legal gun owners in general, and Heston in particular was pointless and stupid. But then it serves to show the true character of the idiot that did it.
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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2004, 10:24:55 AM »
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That is why he doesn't give interviews...  


He was interviewed by Bill O'Reilly a year or so ago, and he wound up interviewing Bill instead. It was interesting to see the no-spin guy on the defensive..in all it was a good interview.

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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2004, 10:29:41 AM »
I dunno where that comes from. Moore gives tons of interviews. Nice theory though.

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a selection of quotes from Moore
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2004, 10:29:56 AM »
"If someone did this [9/11] to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes' destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!" -- Michael Moore On 9/12/2001

"There is no terrorist threat in this country. This is a lie. This is the biggest lie we've been told." -- Michael Moore, October 2003

"In terms of marketing (Fahrenheit 9/11), Front Row is getting a boost from organisations related to Hezbollah which have rung up from Lebanon to ask if there is anything they can do to support the film. And although Chacra says he and his company feel strongly that Fahrenheit is not anti-American, but anti-Bush, 'we can’t go against these organisations as they could strongly boycott the film in Lebanon and Syria.'"

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win."

"I'm sorry, but the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe -- God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end."

"Unfortunately, Bush and Co. are not through yet. This invasion and conquest will encourage them to do it again elsewhere. The real purpose of this war was to say to the rest of the world, "Don't Mess with Texas - If You Got What We Want, We're Coming to Get It!"

"I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a 'deserter.' What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar, and a functional illiterate. And he poops his pants"

"(Americans) are possibly the dumbest people on the planet ... in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug pr*cks. We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don’t know about anything that’s happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.”

"DO YOU FEEL like you live in a nation of idiots? I used to console myself about the state of stupidity in this country by repeating this to myself: Even if there are two hundred million stone-cold idiots in this country, that leaves at least eighty million who will get what I'm saying..." -- P. 85 of "Stupid White Men"

"(T)he dumbest Brit here is smarter than the smartest American". -- Michael Moore At London’s Roundhouse Theater

"On his North American tour in support of Dude, Where’s My Country, Moore substituted Canadians for Britons, telling audiences that the “dumbest Canadian” in attendance could surely outwit 'the smartest American.'" -- Moorewatch

"Should such an ignorant people (Americans) lead the world?" -- Michael Moore in an open letter to the people of Germany

"There's a gullible side to the American people. They can be easily misled. Religion is the best device used to mislead them."

"I like America to some extent." -- Michael Moore's response after being asked "You do not seem to like the U.S., do you?"

"Moore wrote he'd once been "forced" to listen to my comments on a TV chat show, The McLaughlin Group. I had whined "on and on about the sorry state of American education," Moore said, and wound up by bellowing: "These kids don't even know what The Iliad and The Odyssey are!" Moore's interest was piqued, so the next day he said he called me. "Fred," he quoted himself as saying, "tell me what The Iliad and The Odyssey are." I started "hemming and hawing," Moore wrote. And then I said, according to Moore: "Well, they're . . . uh . . . you know . . . uh . . . okay, fine, you got me--I don't know what they're about. Happy now?" He'd smoked me out as a fraud, or maybe worse. The only problem is none of this is true. It never happened. Moore is a liar. He made it up. It's a fabrication on two levels. One, I've never met Moore or even talked to him on the phone. And, two, I read both The Iliad and The Odyssey in my first year at the University of Virginia. Just for the record, I'd learned what they were about even before college." -- Fred Barnes

"You know in my town the small businesses that everyone wanted to protect? They were the people that supported all the right-wing groups. They were the Republicans in the town, they were in the Kiwanas, the Chamber of Commerce - people that kept the town all white. The small hardware salesman, the small clothing store salespersons, Jesse the Barber who signed his name three different times on three different petitions to recall me from the school board. F*ck all these small businesses - f*ck 'em all! Bring in the chains. The small businesspeople are the rednecks that run the town and suppress the people. F*ck 'em all. That's how I feel."

"White people scare the crap out of me. … I have never been attacked by a black person, never been evicted by a black person, never had my security deposit ripped off by a black landlord, never had a black landlord … never been pulled over by a black cop, never been sold a lemon by a black car salesman, never seen a black car salesman, never had a black person deny me a bank loan, never had a black person bury my movie, and I've never heard a black person say, 'We're going to eliminate ten thousand jobs here - have a nice day!'"

"It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody." -- From an article by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown describing a Michael Moore show in London

"Since September 11, the Bush Administration has used that tragic event as a justification to rip up our constitution and our civil liberties. And I honestly believe that [with] one or two September 11s martial law will be declared in our country and we're inching towards a police state."

"The Patriot Act is the first step. "Mein Kampf" -- "Mein Kampf" was written long before Hitler came to power. And if the people of Germany had done something early on to stop these early signs, when the right-wing, when the extremists such as yourself (Bob Novak), decide that this is the way to go, if people don't speak up against this, you end up with something like they had in Germany. I don't want to get to that point."

"The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich."

"I think (Bin Laden is under the protective watch of) the United States, I think our government knows where he is and I don't think we're going to be capturing him or killing him any time soon." -- Michael Moore in an interview with Bob Costas


Yep, it's a cut and paste from a website.
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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2004, 10:30:58 AM »
Which one?

Can I see it?

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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2004, 10:42:25 AM »
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Which one?

Can I see it?



Sure, but you'll hate it. I look at maybe 25 blogs on a regular basis, some from each side, this came from one, and it was the most relevant to this particular subject on any of the blogs. I found some similar stuff from Michael Hitchens (I think I spelled that right) on a couple of liberal blogs. Though Hitchens is a liberal at least to some degree, the liberal blogs were all over him for calling Moore on what he says and does.


http://www.rightwingnews.com

Have a good laugh, I know you'll hate it and disagree with it. Like I said, he put together a collection of Moore's quotes, so I checked some of his sources and they were valid, so I used it.
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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2004, 10:45:42 AM »
lol... I don't even have to look. Barely had to ask in the first place. What I thought, I got.

Nice way to expand your mind and broaden your perspective. Whatever, I aint gonna lecture you.

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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2004, 10:56:27 AM »
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lol... I don't even have to look. Barely had to ask in the first place. What I thought, I got.

Nice way to expand your mind and broaden your perspective. Whatever, I aint gonna lecture you.



Like I said, it is one of about 25 blogs I look at, some from each side. The thread concerns Michael Moore. That blog had a collection of his quotes. The sources agreed with what was posted, so I used it.

As I expected, you didn't even look, and yet you claim to have "expanded your mind and broadened your perspective". I've come to expect nothing less from you. We've had this discussion before. You're right, you ain't gonna lecture me. You ain't qualified.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2004, 10:57:57 AM »
"I don't have to look"..... but I did.

Whatever floats yer boat there, Virgil. :aok

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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2004, 12:05:26 PM »
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The NRA does not condone violence nor violent use of guns yet this is one of Moores targets.


What do you think is ment by, "Out of my cold, dead, hand.".

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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2004, 12:22:13 PM »
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What do you think is ment by, "Out of my cold, dead, hand.".


It means the Constitution of the United States clearly states that the rights of the citizens are granted by God, not by the government, and in accordance with the motto "Give me liberty or give me death", we will surrender our firearms and our Second Amendment rights when we die, and not before. We'll not submit passively, timidly, meekly, nor willingly, to tyranny.

Simple and clear enough?
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« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2004, 12:32:40 PM »
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It means the Constitution of the United States clearly states that the rights of the citizens are granted by God


So god is in charge of America then? What is the role of the goverment and president if god is your boss?