Author Topic: Has Hollywood's Influence on Politics Become Dangerous?  (Read 1567 times)

Offline Shuckins

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« on: June 25, 2004, 12:05:11 PM »
Have any of you found the recent brouhaha over Fahrenheit 9/11 to be disturbing? I know I do.

Don't misunderstand.  Michael Moore can produce anything he wants to in order to air his political views.  He's a citizen of the good ole USofA, after all.  Freedom of the press, speech, and all that.

I think what frightens me about all this is that Moore is the most outspoken proponent of a Hollywood elitest mind-set that is increasingly disdainful of mainstream American concepts such as fair play, objectivity, and rational debate.

You've all heard the type of high-octane, vitriolic hyperbole he uses when he talks about Bush.  This is the language of fanaticism.  I believe few of us, conservative or moderate or liberal, would deny that he often plays fast and loose with the facts.  Many of the Congressmen he interviewed for this movie are livid about the way he has edited statements they made.  

In the past, Hollywood actors have expressed their political viewpoints with dignity and grace, for the most part.  The stern courage of actors of the caliber of Katherine Hepburn who traveled to Washington to testify before the HUAC inspired many to stand up against the evils of the McCarthy era.  

Unfortunately, that era appears to have come to an end.  Hepburn has been replaced by Moore, and it has not been an even trade.  He is the point man for a new Hollywood elite, testing the waters of public opinion to see how strong the reaction will be to a new brand of political activism.  

Think of what his "documentary" means.  For the first time in the history of American cinema, a director has made a film with the express purpose of scuttling the reelection of a sitting president.  He has done it with the verbal and financial support of the political opponents of that president, both domestic and foreign.

If this film succeeds in its purpose of influencing this years election, what moore can we expect from Hollywood.  Make no mistake about it, Hollywood is watching the public reaction to this film with bated breath.  If Moore gets away with this, what will Tinsel Town's finest attempt in the future?  

After all, they do not think they are bound by the same rules of fairness that apply to the newspapers or television news.  You see, they realize that it is hard for the opposition to argue with a "blockbuster documentary."

What I'm arguing for here is a return to sanity.  Even those of you who are adamantly opposed to Bush should have reservations about supporting a film whose director has used methods apparently so devoid of any ethical restraints.

All Moore will accomplish is to drive another wedge between Americans of differing political persuasions, all for his own "noble" purposes.  The animosities are already too great...that fire too hot.

The ends do not justify the means.  We...all of us...should send a clear message to Moore...and those thinking of following his example...we do not approve of your methods.

Your thoughts?

Regards, Shuckins/Leggern
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2004, 12:18:54 PM »
Well said.

OTOH, I don't believe Moore's agenda is such a new thing. Before movies, books were definitely written by very influencial authors with political agendas. Upton Sinclair comes to mind, and maybe  John Steinbeck.

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2004, 12:39:27 PM »
Thanks for the comments MT.

It isn't his agenda I object to so much as it is his methods.  I don't think your reference to John Steinbeck is an apt one in this debate.

I knew John Steinbeck...and Moore is no John Steinbeck. ;)

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2004, 12:59:45 PM »
Its a movie, anyone who is influenced by it could have a full frontal lobotamy with a spoon and no one would notice any difference.

The only reason its so popular right now, before its even in the theaters, is because of those groups so adamantly opposing it. Trying to prevent theaters from showing his movie, best way to get people interested in seeing it and to advertise it.

If this movie influences the election year, it isn't because of Moore... its because of those people who made it look so bad that everyone else became curious about why its so horrible.

I won't see it, don't care too... its a movie full of opinions, no thanks. I see movies for entertainment.
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2004, 12:59:50 PM »
I think that most of all, Hollywood in general, and some of the more active "stars" in particular, are exceptionally deluded in their belief that they are such a considerable factor on the political system.

I could care less about Moore and his agenda, although I do feel the term docummentary has become entirely to broad, and in fact, he's never actually made one that I'm aware of.

However, I do know a lot of well educated people, even in my family, who feel it their purpose to pass along everything those Hollywood "stars" say and pass it off as intellectually meaningful.
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2004, 01:01:00 PM »
Moore's style caters to the "10 second sound byte crowd" that do not bother to investigate allegations on their own.

The same people who send money to a Nigerian Ambassador because they got an e-mail offering them millions, will fall victim to unscupulous people like Moore.

On the other hand, the conservatives are working to combat the Moore film with a film festival of their own.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000552469
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2004, 01:04:07 PM »
Don't blame the movie, blame the people for allowing mass media to influence them so much.

Movies don't vote...people do.
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2004, 01:06:30 PM »
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Think of what his "documentary" means. For the first time in the history of American cinema, a director has made a film with the express purpose of scuttling the reelection of a sitting president. He has done it with the verbal and financial support of the political opponents of that president, both domestic and foreign.

And thanks to John McCain there are restrictions on how much money political groups can spend in the months prior to an election.  So windbags like Moore get to make money influencing elections but groups like the NRA or AARP can only sit and watch.
Hollywood isn't dangerous, fools like John McCain are.

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2004, 01:39:28 PM »
Hollywood influence on politics? As in The Governator? :D

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2004, 01:50:49 PM »
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Hollywood influence on politics? As in The Governator? :D

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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2004, 02:00:15 PM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Well said.

OTOH, I don't believe Moore's agenda is such a new thing. Before movies, books were definitely written by very influencial authors with political agendas. Upton Sinclair comes to mind, and maybe  John Steinbeck.


I agree. Yellow journalism has been around for as long as well, journalists. Moore has just brought it into mainstream with a newer media. Whether you like his films or not, have to give him credit for being smart enough to make money off of them.

Besides, I think Geoff Tate put it best when he said "The rich control the government, the media the law." :D

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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2004, 02:04:58 PM »
You feel way better that Halibuton and Enron bought a presidency then you do about Moore comunicating the reality of Bushes policies to the public.  You have the absolute worst president in the history of your country. Starting wars based on lies, stealing the election with election fraud. And your worried that micheal moore might be wrecking your country.
Just how brain dead can people be?
That is sad.
Moore will end up dead. Look at the hate on this board alone.

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2004, 02:05:25 PM »
I think you'll see moore-ons latest in BlockBuster right around the end of October, PPV sat/cable if he can swing

trying last minute mush mind melding with their base

more than dangerous, its criminal

right up there with the unions throwing dues to the jackarse party regardless what the payer of those fees thinks
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2004, 02:11:58 PM »
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You feel way better that Halibuton and Enron bought a presidency

Any proof besides the continuous leftist drone?
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then you do about Moore comunicating the reality of Bushes policies to the public.

Reality?  Moore uses lies regularly in ALL of his work.
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You have the absolute worst president in the history of your country.

Yeah, and he just published a huge book too.
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Starting wars based on lies,

Name one.
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stealing the election with election fraud.

How?
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Just how brain dead can people be?

Let us know.

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Re: Has Hollywood's Influence on Politics Become Dangerous?
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2004, 02:12:29 PM »
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Have any of you found the recent brouhaha over Fahrenheit 9/11 to be disturbing? I know I do.


About as disturbing as O'rielly or Limbaugh, but I don't listen to them either.
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