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Offline Nash

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« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2004, 09:59:59 PM »
no no NOOOOO STEVE!!!

I didn't mean it like that.... REALLY!!!

Please man, cut me a break here....

SAVE ME FROM MY IGNORANCE!!!! PLEASE!

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« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2004, 10:01:35 PM »
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lol Grun... in your stupifyingly small two dimensional world your post might make some sense. I don't inhabit that world, and am only somewhat aware of its people's customs. I'd need a translator to reply to your post. Nothing is as "simple" as you'd like to frame it.


So how much do you care if Moore lies in his movies?

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« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2004, 10:06:23 PM »
Grun.... SHOW ME ONE FREAKIN' LIE.

Did you skip this entire thread?

Moore's film however DOES employ the selective use of FACTS to express a SPECIFIC point of view.

So freakin' what? EVERYONE does that.

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« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2004, 10:07:17 PM »
I was going to see it, but it had sold out.

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« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2004, 10:09:20 PM »
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Moore's film however DOES employ the selective use of FACTS to express a SPECIFIC point of view



Much like in Bowling... he posits the movies as documentaries when canting everything w/ a very specific and foolish agenda(near socialist).

You must be very blissful indeed.

I pray you do not live in in the U.S.

Barring that, I hope someone doesn't hold your hand and direct you to the polling booth.
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« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2004, 10:10:38 PM »
Another myth.

Give me an example of a single "documentary" that doesn't have a point of view.

Happy hunting.

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« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2004, 10:12:01 PM »
I think Nash's point is that the guy is writing his article in the exact same style that he is criticizing Moore for.

  I find the whole idea of people being against the film, because it is biased, just hilarious.  everything is biased, everyone has an agenda.  anything that is worth hearing, any idea that is beyond small talk, will have impact on peoples lives, some it will help and some it will hurt, and everyone is biased toward the side that allows them to gain, or at the very least helps the majority of others at an expense to them, that they can comfortably absorb.

if you show me a man who you think is unbiased, I'll show you a fool, and I won't have to look any farther than you.

  when anyone tells you anything that matters, you should ask yourself a couple questions-
1.  does this guy have any access to info that would lend credibility to his statement?
2.  what's his stake in my belief.  will he profit or loose from me believing one way or the other?
3.  what is his agenda, is he selling something, pushing a cause, or trying to meet a quota? how would convincing me to believe one way or the other effect that?
4. does what he says fit at all with any other info I have on the subject, that I have already confirmed as fact?
5. is there any of this I can confirm, and if so does it check out(which lends credibility to the unverifiable parts, but doesn't prove them)?

it reminds me of a thing with hair.  I have long hair, many girls I meet wish they could have long hair, and ask how I get it to grow this long.  simple answer- "wash it, brush it, Don't cut it."
 every one of them responds with "it grows faster if you trim it regularly"
 to which I respond "Bull****, you're hair is dead, it grows from the follicle, it has no nerves, the follicle has no idea if you've cut the dead end off the hair or not, so how would it know to make hair faster?"
 and the reply always is "no, it's true.  my hairdresser told me.  she works with hair all day, she would know"
 what they never seem to put together until you spell it out (and even then it's an uphill fight to let some logic shine through) is that the hair dresser only makes money by cutting hair.  they make no money off of people who grow their hair long (haven't had a haircut in 20+ years. so I don't much contribute to their business).  if they can convince people that you're hair will grow faster if you trim the ends, then they can get the people who want long hair to come in 4-6 times a year to get a half inch of hair trimmed(for $15+tip a pop).  so far they're doing a great job.

the point being you can't really trust anyone, least of all public figures with a political agenda (and from what I can tell they ALL have a political agenda).  the idea that any one newsman, politician or filmmaker is any worse than another because he slants the information he gives, and presents his opinions as truth is just ridiculous.  they all do it.  it's what they do for a living.

I don't fully trust many people that I haven't known since I was a kid (and I've still got my eye on a few of those I have).  it sucks to have to be so skeptical but you don't get to choose the world you live in.

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« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2004, 10:16:41 PM »
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Grun.... SHOW ME ONE FREAKIN' LIE.



And then what?  Would you care?

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« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2004, 10:18:12 PM »
Sure - I would. Honestly.

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« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2004, 10:20:22 PM »
c'mon...give 'em a big hug!




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« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2004, 10:25:37 PM »
:aok capt. apathy


Old '70's song playing in my head...

 "Long growin, mind blowing, as long as it's my Hair..."

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Thanks for the memories....

*chit that's Bob Hope now....*


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« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2004, 10:28:50 PM »
Nash, you are debating with a brick wall. The NeoCons will never publicly admit that F9/11 is based on facts. They may be slanted to Moore's POV (which is his prerogative as Director). But you could say the same about any right-wing publication such as Intellectual Conservative, The Drudge Report, or O'Reilley.
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« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2004, 10:48:50 PM »
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Nash, you are debating with a brick wall. The NeoCons will never publicly admit that F9/11 is based on facts. They may be slanted to Moore's POV (which is his prerogative as Director). But you could say the same about any right-wing publication such as Intellectual Conservative, The Drudge Report, or O'Reilley.


Nash here is your chance to prove me wrong...

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« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2004, 10:58:14 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean.

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« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2004, 11:24:34 PM »
Okay maybe you think I should have some problem with rpm's post.

"The NeoCons will never publicly admit that F9/11 is based on facts."

So far they haven't. All I've heard by some is that it is it is chock full of lies. Yet nobody has managed to point out a single lie. Show me a lie.

"They may be slanted to Moore's POV (which is his prerogative as Director)."

Of course, and I've said as much. No documentary is ever neutral. They all have a POV. Show me one that doesn't.

But you could say the same about any right-wing publication such as Intellectual Conservative, The Drudge Report, or O'Reilley.

Absolutely. You think O'Reilley is going to provide you with both sides of an argument? I would imagine the experience of being a guest or calling in not that much different that having experienced a mugging.

So what's the problem with this?