Author Topic: + or - (Read 2927 times)

Mugzeee · « **on:** June 27, 2004, 02:55:05 PM »

Why?
In Ah1 we had an icon distance counter that was in increments of 100. (900-800-700, ect) With the release we had the New icon counter in increments of 200 (1000-800-600 ect.)
It was reported by many that this created a problem of determining wether the icon was closing or seperating.
HTC decided the solution was to add + or - to the left of the icon that will indicate seperation or closure.
Question is why?
Obviously they heard the cries of the players and decided to make a change. This would idicate that HTC agrees that a change was needed. However...instead of using the old icon counter system from AH1 they decided that they would creat a New "New icon counter"
Why not use the one we got used to? With so many things new in AH2......does everything have to be new? Cant we please have our sucurity blanket while going out into the new world?

WilldCrd · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2004, 03:07:26 PM »

why not

Jayclark · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2004, 03:09:39 PM »

I don't see what the problem is. I can tell by the size of the plane(below 1.0k). I really don't even pay attention to the counters that much unless checking my 6. It might of made more sense instead of adding the negative and positive sign. But then the people who like the new icons will complain. I think they are trying to find a happy medium.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2004, 03:33:57 PM »

Problem? Who said there was actually a problem with the Icons? Its simply the principle.. They made a change indicating that a change is acceptable.. But apparently are refusing to use anything old. Even when the community asked them to. I guess it isnt possible or maybe its too difficult to use the old icon system.

Kweassa · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2004, 04:00:58 PM »

If there's no problem, then why change it again? Waste of time and effort, don't you think?

Wotan · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2004, 04:16:23 PM »

The "community" didn't ask for the same icons in AH1, a few complainers did. The "community" didn't ask for the +/- thingy, a few complainers did. The folks doing most of the complaining were no where to be found in the earlier betas and made no effort at all until it was clear AH1 was over.

AH2 was in its "beta" phase for quite a while. Most folks that spent considerable time in those betas we see expressing themselves in support of the AH2 icons (pre +/- thingy of course).

What you get now are a good number of folks coming and in support of the orig AH2 icons. More then ever complained in the 1st place.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2004, 04:59:23 PM »

What he said ^

Hajo · « **Reply #7 on:** June 27, 2004, 05:18:07 PM »

What Cavalear and Wotan said.

Most of us who flew the Beta knew this was coming,

I've seen more whines and moans posted on this BBS then heard on a Saturday Night at the local Cat House.

Get used to it....its' the way of the AH world. Game improved a lot imho. I like it better...most do.

FDutchmn · « **Reply #8 on:** June 27, 2004, 05:23:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Problem? Who said there was actually a problem with the Icons? Its simply the principle.. They made a change indicating that a change is acceptable.. But apparently are refusing to use anything old. Even when the community asked them to. I guess it isnt possible or maybe its too difficult to use the old icon system.

This is the way I understood it...

The old distance indicator was precise and gave away the "E" status of the object rather easily and at a glance. In real life we only had our eyes to measure (well... guess) the E of the opponent.

The new distance indicator was intentionally made "rough" so at least it was not too easy to measure this E (unless of course the opponent is flying at Mach 3)

However, that made things difficult in a chase as you had to chase the your opponent quite a bit before you can tell you were closing in or not.

As I understood it, the "+ or -" thing is not exactly what the person suggested it to work. There will be more refinements...

Mugzeee · « **Reply #9 on:** June 27, 2004, 05:40:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Hajo
What Cavalear and Wotan said.

Most of us who flew the Beta knew this was coming,

I've seen more whines and moans posted on this BBS then heard on a Saturday Night at the local Cat House.

Get used to it....its' the way of the AH world. Game improved a lot imho. I like it better...most do.

As for whine? as you said get used to it. Its the Bulk of the BBS.
As for the subject matter of this thread...let me spell it out.
The simple fact that HTC is unwilling to use the old system but is willing to make a change that essentially does the same thing seems telling to me. In that they are indeed as stubborn as the rest of us. OK? OK. Its really becoming as irritating to me as yall think i am to you. Yes i am very much on my way to cancellation as many others are contemplating. 5 more at last count that i personally know. Its just simply the principle. The fact that i am even posting on the matter is telling that i want it to work out. But i am about as far as i am willing to bend. lost 3 squad members so far. And not loving AH2. Sorry...but its just the way i feel.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #10 on:** June 27, 2004, 05:41:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
The "community" didn't ask for the same icons in AH1, a few complainers did. The "community" didn't ask for the +/- thingy, a few complainers did. The folks doing most of the complaining were no where to be found in the earlier betas and made no effort at all until it was clear AH1 was over.

AH2 was in its "beta" phase for quite a while. Most folks that spent considerable time in those betas we see expressing themselves in support of the AH2 icons (pre +/- thingy of course).

What you get now are a good number of folks coming and in support of the orig AH2 icons. More then ever complained in the 1st place.

I didnt see you much in the earlier betas either. As i remember...you left AH for quite a while.

Wotan · « **Reply #11 on:** June 27, 2004, 05:47:05 PM »

I was there every day, you just dont what you are talking about. My old nik couldn't be restored until the AH1 data base was transferred to AH2.

At that time I picked up my old nic and reverted back to my orig bbs nic so that my bbs name would match my game name.

You didnt see me because you were rarely there.

NUKE · « **Reply #12 on:** June 27, 2004, 05:50:26 PM »

I noticed the + and - indicators are not always accurate. I have had planes closing from 800 to 600 to 400 and no - ever showed up.

FDutchmn · « **Reply #13 on:** June 27, 2004, 05:50:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
The simple fact that HTC is unwilling to use the old system but is willing to make a change that essentially does the same thing seems telling to me.

But Mugzeee, it does not do the same thing and it certainly is not intended to same thing.

FDutchmn · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2004, 05:52:04 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
I noticed the + and - indicators are not always accurate. I have had planes closing from 800 to 600 to 400 and no - ever showed up.

Cuz, the rate of difference must be over 10 yards a second before the signs appear...

Maybe!