Author Topic: I see there is another "plane wishlist" (Read 1668 times)

Angus · « **Reply #30 on:** July 04, 2004, 06:34:32 AM »

T34 is fast(55 km/h?), probably the fastest tank of WW2, especially in rough terrain (wide tracks). It is well armed, up to 8 cm cannon. It is tough with a small turret. It was also extremely common.
Self propelled artillery could offer the chance of effective bombardments at great range. It is vulnerable though, - the m-8 would be a deadly foe.

Rasker · « **Reply #31 on:** July 04, 2004, 09:02:24 AM »

M36 "Jackson" has 90mm gun, mounted on M10 chassis. Reliable Tiger killer, they say.

Arlo · « **Reply #32 on:** July 04, 2004, 09:36:01 AM »

When it comes to the ground action in AH, the primary focus, as far as filling gaps is concerned, should be mbts. And the first consideration there should be active battle participation in number. That shows the two most glaring omissions to be:

1: Sherman (western front)

2: T-34 (eastern front)

(I wouldn't be surprised if Pyro is focusing on which of these two get the largest response.)

Nothing else should even be considered, ground vehicle wise, until those 2 are modeled.

Also take into consideration that the game's PLANE set still has lots of gaps that need filling.

Asking for some of the rare allied heavy hitters or wirbelwinds or self-propelled arty or, hev'n forbid, 3 or 4 more German uber-tanks isn't accomplishing the basic goal of setting up a balanced (albiet still light) ground vehicleset that can actually represent what was primarily used in the major battles (both sides).

Angus · « **Reply #33 on:** July 04, 2004, 10:21:47 AM »

I must say that I think that the self-propelled 120mm artillery piece would add a bit to the game.
Totally slow and vulnerable, but adding the bombardment factor, and also giving the M8 something to do.
About that M-36, I am clueless. No idea.
The Brits did some cute things to the Sherman, 75mm HV gun and some other modifications. It never had the durability to match the German tanks though (Our Panzer included), and it had a high profile as well.
T-34 was faster, more durable, and had a more effective weapon for most of the war.
For late war scenarios on the western front, the Sherman is a must.
For mid to late war on the eastern front the T-34 is an absolute must.
For early war in the desert, or even Europe, we need the Mathilda and some model of the early Panzer.

Angus · « **Reply #34 on:** July 04, 2004, 10:21:53 AM »

I must say that I think that the self-propelled 120mm artillery piece would add a bit to the game.
Totally slow and vulnerable, but adding the bombardment factor, and also giving the M8 something to do.
About that M-36, I am clueless. No idea.
The Brits did some cute things to the Sherman, 75mm HV gun and some other modifications. It never had the durability to match the German tanks though (Our Panzer included), and it had a high profile as well.
T-34 was faster, more durable, and had a more effective weapon for most of the war.
For late war scenarios on the western front, the Sherman is a must.
For mid to late war on the eastern front the T-34 is an absolute must.
For early war in the desert, or even Europe, we need the Mathilda and some model of the early Panzer.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 04, 2004, 11:57:40 AM »

Arlo, your still missing the point. Juat because we are posting what we would like to see in AH, dosnt mean HTC is creating every model we hope for. This is a wish list. Not post the air model or ground model you hope for and have it made in a week. This is just what we hope to see in the game. We're just trying to mention some types of gvs that would used well in AH2. We all know that hardly most of our ideas will be shot down. Most of also see the large gaps in in the plane list. We also see the bugs in the gvs. But we seem to get over it and have fun.

I agree in the fact that the T34 or the Sherman should be modeled first. to balance out the powers.

MOIL · « **Reply #36 on:** July 04, 2004, 01:41:44 PM »

I was going to throw in a few things, but Bluej1 & Angus pretty much covered it. Thanks all for your input.

p.s. Happy 4th of July all

Angus · « **Reply #37 on:** July 04, 2004, 02:00:14 PM »

Oh, to add, late war, both the Russians and the Brits hade some really good tanks.
Stalin, Comet, Challenger.....
The Germans had their 88mm gun which was pretty much the best there was, but the British HV 75mm (?) gun was also a true killer...

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 04, 2004, 02:17:43 PM »

The self propelled artillary would be a nice aspect to gvs. Would take some practice to hit targets at long ranges. Would be great for large scale gv battles. Put away that iger in the distance that keeps killing friendlies.

Happy 4th All <>
Happy 4th MOIL

Arlo · « **Reply #39 on:** July 04, 2004, 04:22:50 PM »

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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Arlo, your still missing the point. Juat because we are posting what we would like to see in AH, dosnt mean HTC is creating every model we hope for. This is a wish list. Not post the air model or ground model you hope for and have it made in a week. This is just what we hope to see in the game. We're just trying to mention some types of gvs that would used well in AH2. We all know that hardly most of our ideas will be shot down. Most of also see the large gaps in in the plane list. We also see the bugs in the gvs. But we seem to get over it and have fun.

I agree in the fact that the T34 or the Sherman should be modeled first. to balance out the powers.

If all this is is daydreaming then I guess I am but actually most of the wishlists posted ARE players wanting to see something modeled soon (even the ridiculous requests). If you're trying to say that this one is the exception and the models being asked for aren't really being requested for serious consideration regarding modeling anytime in the near future then I hate to tell you but that doesn't actually make the requests sound MORE reasonable. Bear in mind that Pyro HAS asked for player input on the following new models he'll consider working on in the VERY near future:

A new fighter

A new bomber

A new GV

Asking for a dozen or more specialized, obscure, rare or impractical models will just end up getting him to stop asking for player input. Getting together and agreeing on one practical example for each category requested would most likey get not only the requests honored but the community, at large, taken more seriously about such requests in the future.

Even if it breaks down to a community torn between the Sherman and T-34 at least you'll have a 50/50 shot. Seeing how long a list of "cool" GVs you can come up with pretty well shoots itself in the foot.

Just sayin'.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 04, 2004, 04:51:33 PM »

Crumpp · « **Reply #41 on:** July 04, 2004, 05:59:02 PM »

The biggest holes in the planeset for Tour of Duty I see are:

1. Fighters:

VVS
I -16, Mig 3, Lagg 3, or Yak 1. Soviet Union needs an early war fighter. Soviet Union is severly lacking.

LW
FW-190A2 or A3 - LW needs an early war Focke Wulf.

RAF
Early Spit Vb, Spitfire IIX for GB

USAAF
Brewster Buffalo, P-38F

JAAF/JNAF

Ki 84
Ki 43

2. Bombers/Ground attack/Transport:

RAF
Wellington I or Beaufurt I - Britain needs an early war bomber as well as Soviet Union
Fairy Swordfish - Not a real necessity but would be pretty cool to attack ships with and use in historical scenarios - Channel Dash anyone??
RAF skin for DC-3

VVS
Pe-2, DB-3F medium bombers for SU
TB-7 Heavy bomber for SU
VVS skin for DC-3

LW
He-111
Ju52 Transport

AB-250 submunitions delivery system for FW-190F
PB2 Rockets for 190F

OR

HS-129
Ju-87G with 37mm guns

USAAF
B25
B24

JNAF/JAAF
Japanese skin for DC-3
B5N2 - Not sure, this one might be in the game already...Don't fly JP much.

3. GV's - Well where does one begin....

Soviet Union
T34
Su120

British Commonwealth
Cromwell
Comet - Early war scenarios
Bishop

German Army
Panzer Mk III - early war scenarios

US Army
M4 Sherman - We gotta have this one, surprised it's not in AH already
M36 Hellcat Tank Destoyer - to take on the late war Tigers

Japanese Army

Whatever tin cup they had, most common version - Actually they did have some pretty squared away tanks for the enviroment they operated in. They were small, lightwieght and could manuver in the jungle in places the allied tanks could not go. Don't know how useful they would be except for scenarios.

Just my opinion.

Crumpp

Crumpp · « **Reply #42 on:** July 04, 2004, 06:03:04 PM »

The biggest holes in the planeset for Tour of Duty I see are:

1. Fighters:

VVS
I -16, Mig 3, Lagg 3, or Yak 1. Soviet Union needs an early war fighter. Soviet Union is severly lacking.

LW
FW-190A2 or A3 - LW needs an early war Focke Wulf.

RAF
Early Spit Vb, Spitfire IIX for GB

USAAF
Brewster Buffalo, P-38F

JAAF/JNAF

Ki 84
Ki 43

2. Bombers/Ground attack/Transport:

RAF
Wellington I or Beaufurt I - Britain needs an early war bomber
Fairy Swordfish - Not a real necessity but would be pretty cool to attack ships with and use in historical scenarios - Channel Dash anyone??
RAF skin for DC-3

VVS
Pe-2 or DB-3F medium bombers for SU
TB-7 Heavy bomber for SU
VVS skin for DC-3

LW
He-111
Ju52 Transport

AB-250 submunitions delivery system for FW-190F
PB2 Rockets for 190F

OR

HS-129
Ju-87G with 37mm guns

USAAF
B25
B24

JNAF/JAAF
Japanese skin for DC-3
B5N2 - Not sure, this one might be in the game already...Don't fly JP much.

3. GV's - Well where does one begin....

Soviet Union
T34
Su120

British Commonwealth
Cromwell
Comet - Early war scenarios
Bishop

German Army
Panzer Mk III - early war scenarios

US Army
M4 Sherman - We gotta have this one, surprised it's not in AH already
M36 Hellcat Tank Destoyer - to take on the Tigers

Japanese Army
Whatever tin cup they had, most common version - Actually they did have some pretty squared away tanks for the enviroment they operated in. They were small, lightwieght and could manuver in the jungle in places the allied tanks could not go. Don't know how useful they would be except for scenarios.

Just my opinion.

Crumpp

Crumpp · « **Reply #43 on:** July 04, 2004, 06:03:32 PM »

The biggest holes in the planeset for Tour of Duty I see are:

1. Fighters:

VVS
I -16, Mig 3, Lagg 3, or Yak 1. Soviet Union needs an early war fighter. Soviet Union is severly lacking.

LW
FW-190A2 or A3 - LW needs an early war Focke Wulf.

RAF
Early Spit Vb, Spitfire IIX for GB

USAAF
Brewster Buffalo, P-38F

JAAF/JNAF

Ki 84
Ki 43

2. Bombers/Ground attack/Transport:

RAF
Wellington I or Beaufurt I - Britain needs an early war bomber
Fairy Swordfish - Not a real necessity but would be pretty cool to attack ships with and use in historical scenarios - Channel Dash anyone??
RAF skin for DC-3

VVS
Pe-2 or DB-3F medium bombers for SU
TB-7 Heavy bomber for SU
VVS skin for DC-3

LW
He-111
Ju52 Transport

AB-250 submunitions delivery system for FW-190F
PB2 Rockets for 190F

OR

HS-129
Ju-87G with 37mm guns

USAAF
B25
B24

JNAF/JAAF
Japanese skin for DC-3
B5N2 - Not sure, this one might be in the game already...Don't fly JP much.

3. GV's - Well where does one begin....

Soviet Union
T34
Su120

British Commonwealth
Cromwell
Comet - Early war scenarios
Bishop

German Army
Panzer Mk III - early war scenarios

US Army
M4 Sherman - We gotta have this one, surprised it's not in AH already
M36 Hellcat Tank Destoyer - to take on the Tigers

Japanese Army
Whatever tin cup they had, most common version - Actually they did have some pretty squared away tanks for the enviroment they operated in. They were small, lightwieght and could manuver in the jungle in places the allied tanks could not go. Don't know how useful they would be except for scenarios.

Just my opinion.

Crumpp

Crumpp · « **Reply #44 on:** July 04, 2004, 06:05:15 PM »

oops...darn connection! excuse me guys.

Crumpp