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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #75 on: July 01, 2004, 01:06:15 AM »
You saying cheetas have a more developed governmental system?
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« Reply #76 on: July 01, 2004, 01:10:22 AM »
You sayin' we should abolish the government and let the smart fight the tough? Why?

Good as is, no?

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« Reply #77 on: July 01, 2004, 01:17:21 AM »
So we shouldn't have developed smart weapons.  The dumb bombs were good enough.  

All the development of smarter machines and educated citizenry will be lost as soon as some country decides to physically train their citizenry to use their brawn rather than their brains.

Out smarting the competition is passe' when it comes to competetion, the rule of thumb now is work harder, not smarter.

Okay, whatever.
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« Reply #78 on: July 01, 2004, 01:28:48 AM »
That seems so out of context that frankly I didn't get it.

Smart vs Dumb bombs? I was talking about people.

As for your 2nd sentence, try taking a highly trained unit into China. I still dunno what that has to do with anything. :)

Yer third sentence wanders right off the cliff... I don't get the connection/relevance.

Could be (prolly is) me.

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« Reply #79 on: July 01, 2004, 01:36:36 AM »
I was paralleling the development of human technology with the development (over obviously a much longer period) of human physiology.

Not only does Darwin select the more intellegent but so does our society and so does our technocracy.

Brains always beat brawn.
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« Reply #80 on: July 01, 2004, 01:43:14 AM »
Civilization as it stands has made Darwin irrellevant.

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« Reply #81 on: July 01, 2004, 01:49:25 AM »
Natural selection still takes place.

Jessica Simpson not withstanding, (there are always exceptions to the rule) are you going to pick the smart girl or the one who is dumb as a post?
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« Reply #82 on: July 01, 2004, 02:07:51 AM »
Nash, give it up. This is who you are debating.
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« Reply #83 on: July 01, 2004, 02:19:27 AM »
With proper planning one can figure a way through a brick wall. The use of tools like a bulldozer or dynamite requires smarts, or could use my fists and pound on the wall all day and make no progress. Thanks for making my case RPM.
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« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2004, 02:21:12 AM »
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Absoshreckinglutely taxes should be a form of redistribution of wealth.


Why?

This is dangerous.  Get socialist, take away the incentive (more money) to excel and all you have is an unmotivated workplace and a stagnating economy.  Remember the U.S.S.R.?

I'm not going to bust my rump to make more money just so you can take a bunch of it away and give it to Joe Loser.  I'll just pull up a park bench and some newspapers and move in  next to Mr. Loser if that's the case.  Let me practice holding my hand out, I've never done it before.
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« Reply #85 on: July 01, 2004, 03:20:15 AM »
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Absoshreckinglutely taxes should be a form of redistribution of wealth.
 


forget the labels. This statement alone makes this conversation most probably pointless... but what the heck.

I'll live in my world and you stay in yours.

There is a difference though. If a taker  disappears, not only it will not affect the rest of us, but we wouldn't even notice it.

If, on the other hand, the producer disappears, the takers have to replace him, or at the very least make the rest of the producers to work harder to make up the difference.

BTW, what makes you think that smart people are automatically meak? Wishfull thinking? Perhaps a smarter than you guy can kick your bellybutton in a hand to hand combat as well?
Or would that be a double injustice ?

Why would you accept an exploitation of one person by another? Because the loser is stronger that an achiever?

That was the governing principle for tens of thousands of years, is this what you are advocating? Extortion is justified simply because it is possible?








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« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2004, 06:58:39 AM »


Robin Hood Was Not A Democrat

"If you were to believe the hyperbole spouting from the spin doctors of the Democrat party, the agenda of leftist leadership revolves around taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Tax cuts benefit the wealthy, they say. Heartless conservatives have no compassion for the lowest strata of society, they cry. Our goal is to help the helpless, to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable, they rant....

The left's reaction to the Bush Tax Cut is an obvious example of this class warfare. Tom Daschle appears on TV, speaking of the myriad citizens who will be hurt by tax relief. Grinning like a Cheshire, he barely contains his glee at the opportunity to label the Bush Administration as uncaring. While speaking of the largesse that would go to the rich (aka; those with jobs) and the necessities stolen from the poor, there is something Tiny Tom forgets to mention.

The only people who receive a tax break are those who pay taxes. Daschle and company, unbelievably, are complaining that the tax break is not applied to those who DON'T pay taxes. They want more money for those who DON'T contribute, who live off the crusts and crumbs they dribble out in return for support of the Donkey Party....

Sadly, those already dependent upon government hand-outs, who have little hope, will continue to buy the myth of Democrats as latter-day Robin Hoods. Sadly, they have yet to realize that the Merry Men of the left have filed a change of address. They now lounge within the highest tower of the most opulent castle, jingling their coins and laughing at the peons below who beg for their scraps."
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« Reply #87 on: July 01, 2004, 08:04:20 AM »
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Groove to the nonsense.


Well, I'm studying under a good teacher.

Plus, after reading the rest of the thread since, it's clear there's no need for me to jump in. Looks to me like the smarts and strong, brawny strength of Mietla and Holden are triumphing against minimal opposition.

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« Reply #88 on: July 01, 2004, 08:09:32 AM »
nash.. you are a silly man..

If resources are finite then we certainly didn't reach that point 2000 or 200 or even today yet.   It is a moot point.  

U seem to be saying that the only choices are anarchy or total redistribution or wealth... communism/socialism.   This is silly...

Since we are talking about the U.S.  (u are talking about the U.S.) we have a constitution.   It was written 200 years ago and limits the powers of government.  It was never meant to redistribute wealth.   Redistributing wealth helps no one.

Under our constitution anyone could and did prosper without the redistribution of wealth.

Taxes are to pay for running the government and for raising an army.  Rights are guarenteed and protected under a limited government.

government social programs help no one.   Some of the most powerful governments in history have been the poorest.   Canada for instance is much poorer than the U.S. and it is much more into redistribution of wealth... same for england... Former communist block countries.  Cuba...  all countries with strong governments that redistribute wealth.   Imagine if canada had a border with mexico rather than affluent U.S.

As for SS... who is really "helped" by the pitance that is given to "blind kids" that is extorted from us workers?    Who ever retires with the money that SS pays?   is it possible to have a worse retirement program short of putting every dollar into company stock like enron?  How quickly would we be out of debt if we simply abolished SS?

he socialist programs that were put in place by democrats and that are simple extortion are with us forever and are putting us more and more in debt... It isn't that the government does extort enough from us... it is that the government spends too much.

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« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2004, 10:17:01 AM »
Unfortunately, the many debates on this BBS regarding this subject as well as others, have probably changed the minds of no one. I'll just debate with my vote.

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