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Offline debuman

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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2004, 12:46:47 PM »
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Be a man!!         up a TIGGER!


The wonderful thing about TIGGERS, is TIGGERS are wonderful things.........

I think you meant a TIGER, not the cute, lovable WInne the Pooh character TIGGER, right?:)

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2004, 12:50:14 PM »
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The wonderful thing about TIGGERS, is TIGGERS are wonderful things.........

I think you meant a TIGER, not the cute, lovable WInne the Pooh character TIGGER, right?:)


no i meant TIGGERS. Tiggers bounce!!
I like to bounce over to the enmy GV's and blow the crap outta them!!
Tiggers really are wonderful things
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2004, 01:49:41 PM »
I think you mean disabled very few where destroyed by planes of course disabled is almost as good as destroyed but since the engine was the primary target most where repaired to fight again

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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2004, 02:54:28 PM »
Tanks reported "killed" by passing aircraft pilots never was a reliable report.  For all they knew as soon as they flew off the crew crawled back in to start up and drive said "killed" tank away.

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2004, 03:15:34 PM »
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please tell me were you got these facts? Since the most decorated german pilot was a tank killer ju87 pilot over 600 kills alone of tanks, and russians had many pilots with 500 kills plus of tanks, never seen german comment damn be afraid of sherman but seen many comments il2 is a flying tank.


 It's an established fact.

 Strafing armoured vehicles were vastly ineffective compared to bombs and rockets, and lobbing ordnance itself was also vastly inefficient compared to taking them out with proper countermeasures on the ground. IIRC only 5 out of every 100 rockets fired ever found their target in real life(or something like that.)

Anti tank guns and other tanks, were the most effective way of dealing with tanks. Rudel was a freak of nature, and using his jaw-dropping accomplishments for analyzing effectiveness of A2G runs against tanks is like the Stahanov Movement.

 Also, the Ju87Gs and IL-2, HS-129s and such were highly specialized planes specifically designed to take out tanks at low-altitude attacks. With the exception these handful of specialized planes, the "normal" fighterbombers were vastly inefficient in dealing with enemy tanks. The fighterbombers went after what made the tanks run - fuel stores, resupply lines, railways, bridges, and etc etc., not the tanks themselves.

 Tony Williams has had discussions with us in the past in the A/V forums, about this very issue, and that's what he pointed out.

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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2004, 04:17:25 PM »
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please tell me were you got these facts? Since the most decorated german pilot was a tank killer ju87 pilot over 600 kills alone of tanks, and russians had many pilots with 500 kills plus of tanks, never seen german comment damn be afraid of sherman but seen many comments il2 is a flying tank.

 let alone the British typhoon which was brought in just to kill tanks. Brits use to destoy first tank and last tank to block tanks in then have field day. One mission that comes to mine is 2 tiffy's killed 30 tanks in 3 sorties.


Considering the Germans produced roughly 4500 Panthers and roughly 1500 Tigers, to say the Russians had *many* pilots with 500+ kills on tanks is mostly absurd.
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2004, 06:23:51 PM »
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One mission that comes to mine is 2 tiffy's killed 30 tanks in 3 sorties.


 Another comes into mind is 12 Typhoons attacking a large column of 60+ tanks, reporting 24 destroyed. In the German logs, the records of that day was "6 Tigers damaged".

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2004, 07:59:05 PM »
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. Grant main battle tanks immunity against machine guns, and cannon fire upto 30mms. Let only the specialized anti-tank cannons(IL-2 23mm cannons, VickerS 40mms, NS-37 37mm..) be able to pierce tanks.



Sounds good, allow me this if you will please:  IMHO, .50's and their german/Japanese counterparts should be able to "track" tanks?
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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2004, 07:59:28 PM »
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. Grant main battle tanks immunity against machine guns, and cannon fire upto 30mms. Let only the specialized anti-tank cannons(IL-2 23mm cannons, VickerS 40mms, NS-37 37mm..) be able to pierce tanks.



Sounds good, allow me this if you will please:  IMHO, .50's and their german/Japanese counterparts should be able to "track" tanks?
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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2004, 08:50:59 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2004, 10:07:28 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2004, 10:18:10 PM »
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50's and their german/Japanese counterparts should be able to "track" tanks?


 You mean detracking them? Sounds reasonable.

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2004, 03:19:03 AM »
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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2004, 03:25:50 AM »
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The wonderful thing about TIGGERS, is TIGGERS are wonderful things.........

I think you meant a TIGER, not the cute, lovable WInne the Pooh character TIGGER, right?:)

i believe the exact phrase was:

'The wonderfull thing about being a Tigger is, I'm the only one!'

but who am i to correct..... ;)
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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2004, 03:40:19 AM »
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i believe the exact phrase was:

'The wonderfull thing about being a Tigger is, I'm the only one!'

but who am i to correct..... ;)


well you could be right. Its been YEARS since I saw any of that stuff. I think you've got WAY to much time on your hands batty!:D
Crap now I gotta redo my cool sig.....crap!!! I cant remeber how to do it all !!!!!