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« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2004, 02:57:46 PM »
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Here's the problem as I see it with folks asking for a B24D.  The glass nose B24s were being phased out by the end of 43 [/B]


But what about the period between April '42 and the end of '43?  That's what I was hoping to cover.

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« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2004, 03:02:02 PM »
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Actually do we NEED Any more AC in AH2?. I mean in the literal sense?. A lot of early war planes Ah planes collect dust in the hanger even now. Even in the CT and other special events.
But i am willing to wait till Artik gets what he wants first .
I would love to see the B24 Liberator in AH2 in the future.


you are wrong buddy

109E, Spit I, Hurri I, F4F, A6M2,  P-40B, 202

All of them are used in very high raito in CT and SEA,..... and we need more

Look to the BoB scneario - 200-250 players going to fly 109E vs Spit I/Hurri I

So do we need early war planes?

  • Ealry War LW Bombers
  • Early War RAF Bombers
  • Early War Russian Fighters and Bombers


WE NEED THEM!!!!!!
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« Reply #62 on: July 07, 2004, 03:17:40 PM »
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But what about the period between April '42 and the end of '43?  That's what I was hoping to cover.

-Sik


I understand that part.  I'm trying to look at it with the idea we wouldn't get both a glass nose and a turret nose B24, so which makes more sense  The 24 didn't even start operating in the Pacific until the end of 42 when the 90th BG flew their first mission in late November.  And it was the CO of the 90th, Art Rogers who had his B24D modified with a grafted on B24 tail turret in the nose that essentially led to it being done at the production level.

The bomb load, performance etc of the later 24 was similar to the D model.  If you can only have one.  And of course AH may get no B24, it would make more sense to do the later turret nose version.

It was operated in more theaters, by more AFs then the D model and had far more paint schemes which would make it more  fun for the skin makers.

This thread got me looking and with the D model you would be talking the Ploesti "desert pink" camo, the regular OD and gray, and potentially the early Navy gray and white paint schemes.  Of course there were formation assembly ships, but they didn't fly combat.

With the later variants you are talking:
-OD/Gray with the 5th, 8th, 10th, 11th, 13th & 15th AFs as well as RAF 24s in the CBI and US Navy
-Silver-with the same AFs as well as RAF and RAAF
-All black 'Snoopers with the 5th AF and 8th AF
-All blue Photo recon F7 Libs
-All Gray 15th AF Pathfinder B24s
-Blue Gray Navy PB4Ys
-All dark Blue Navy PB4Ys

Throw in the much more colorful later war group markings and it's a skinner's paradise.

Both would be nice, but the 24H/J/M makes the most sense and the better compromise if we're lucky enough to get one.

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« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2004, 03:24:12 PM »
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The 24 didn't even start operating in the Pacific until the end of 42 when the 90th BG flew their first mission in late November.


In that case, I stand corrected (not sure where I got April from).

I have no use for the B-24 now.

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« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2004, 03:24:38 PM »
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you are wrong buddy

109E, Spit I, Hurri I, F4F, A6M2,  P-40B, 202

All of them are used in very high raito in CT and SEA,..... and we need more

Look to the BoB scneario - 200-250 players going to fly 109E vs Spit I/Hurri I

So do we need early war planes?

  • Ealry War LW Bombers
  • Early War RAF Bombers
  • Early War Russian Fighters and Bombers


WE NEED THEM!!!!!! [/B]

Nicely said "Buddy"! LOL
Nice attitude too.
Im sure i over stated when i said a "lot"... But arent there a few?
What are we considering "Early War"?
Best regards
« Last Edit: July 07, 2004, 03:29:08 PM by Mugzeee »

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« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2004, 05:07:19 PM »
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I understand that part.  I'm trying to look at it with the idea we wouldn't get both a glass nose and a turret nose B24, so which makes more sense  The 24 didn't even start operating in the Pacific until the end of 42 when the 90th BG flew their first mission in late November.  And it was the CO of the 90th, Art Rogers who had his B24D modified with a grafted on B24 tail turret in the nose that essentially led to it being done at the production level.

Dan/Slack

I made a remark at the B-24D because there were some shooting for early war birds, so I figured I'd give em an early war 24.  I'd much rather see a J model than a D model, but I was just throwing out the suggestion of an early war American bomber.  Your statements of a turret nosed B-24, such as the J, are all valid, but the B-24D didnt have just a glass nose.  There were 3 machine guns pointing out of that.  The only difference between the B-24D and the B-17G we have in AH is that the G had a mechanically operated turret, with 2 guns, and the B-24D had the hand-held gun in its place.  Both aircraft have 2 machine guns that could cover the small range at 1-2 and 11-10 o clock.

As of now, im just trying to get ANY varient of the B-24, I dont care what it is.  But, if (big if) we do get one, I'd like it to be the J.

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« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2004, 07:23:52 PM »
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Actually do we NEED Any more AC in AH2?. I mean in the literal sense?. A lot of early war planes Ah planes collect dust in the hanger even now. Even in the CT and other special events.
But i am willing to wait till Artik gets what he wants first .
I would love to see the B24 Liberator in AH2 in the future.


Mugz .... AHII isn't WWIIOL .... or even "Tanks Low." Aircraft get priority in this game. Sure .. the GVset needs a couple of GVs (Sherman and T-34) ... but that's about it, really.

Early war planes only gather dust in the MA. The MA doesn't really even need to be a consideration as far as adding planes is concerned now. Early war planes get the crap flown out of them in the CT. If you'd been a semi-regular visitor there, you'd know. And saying they "gather dust" in special events simply shows you don't really know what a special event is. :aok

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« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2004, 07:30:47 PM »
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Mugz .... AHII isn't WWIIOL .... or even "Tanks Low." Aircraft get priority in this game. Sure .. the GVset needs a couple of GVs (Sherman and T-34) ... but that's about it, really.

Early war planes only gather dust in the MA. The MA doesn't really even need to be a consideration as far as adding planes is concerned now. Early war planes get the crap flown out of them in the CT. If you'd been a semi-regular visitor there, you'd know. And saying they "gather dust" in special events simply shows you don't really know what a special event is. :aok


Arlo...why do you insist in chasing my all over the BBS to challenge my every Post?
My reply didnt say that Gv should be added and AC shouldnt.
As i said... I am willing to wait till the Special event guys get what they need. Read it.  And yes i participated in Special Events a few in AH1, have played in the CT many many times and have participated in SE countless times in AW.
I certianly understand the lack of the early war plane set to accomadate the Special events (Substitutions have to be used constantly). Yes there are a few early War Ac collecting dust in the hangers. Please...if you cant be nice...then bug out.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2004, 07:40:40 PM by Mugzeee »

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« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2004, 07:36:38 PM »
"Actually do we NEED Any more AC in AH2?" -Mugzeee

You were being a dumbarse again. *ShruG* Stop being a dumbarse.  :D

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« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2004, 10:34:53 PM »
United:

The B-24 looked like a truck, hauled like a truck, and flew like a truck. :)

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« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2004, 09:07:30 AM »
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United:

The B-24 looked like a truck, hauled like a truck, and flew like a truck. :)

Rafe

But it did what it was supposed to and some. :D

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« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2004, 03:12:51 PM »
Hey United.  

What are the markings on the 24 in your avatar?

Can't quite make them out.  Kinda partial to 454th BG,15th AF B24s myself

"My" B24 crew

http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/b24intro.htm

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« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2004, 10:13:36 PM »
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Hey United.  

What are the markings on the 24 in your avatar?

Can't quite make them out.  Kinda partial to 454th BG,15th AF B24s myself

"My" B24 crew

http://www.worldwar2pilots.com/b24intro.htm

Dan/Slack

Theres really no markings, its just a model of a silver B-24J with the standard USAAF star.  I dont have the original picture, its been lost in the many freezes/crashes my PC has, but there is a tail number, but I cant read it.

Thats a great write up there on the link you gave.  Wonderful work being done there.

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« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2004, 11:05:12 PM »
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Theres really no markings, its just a model of a silver B-24J with the standard USAAF star.  I dont have the original picture, its been lost in the many freezes/crashes my PC has, but there is a tail number, but I cant read it.

Thats a great write up there on the link you gave.  Wonderful work being done there.


Thanks.  That's been an ongoing project of mine for over 10 years now, off and on.

When I started there were 3 of the crew still living.  Now it's down to 1.  Can't slow down time sad to say

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« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2004, 11:09:22 PM »
I hear ya.  My granddad was a gunner on a B-24J and, since he lived so far away from us, I never got much of a chance to talk to him, so now im searching off and on for info on his crew and plane.

Hope all works out for ya!