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Offline CptTrips

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« on: January 02, 2001, 07:00:00 PM »
Give us the tools to help ourselves.


I have brought this up before, but I’m going to make a final formal plea.

The behavior and tenor of the online environment in AH had gotten worse and worse.   The constant, mind-numbing whining and complaining, taunting, fit-throwing, excuse-making, FM postulating, quit-threatening BS has become almost unbearable.

It didn’t used to be this bad, and I don’t think it has to be.  Give us the tool that will help us encourage each other to tone it down a bit.

We need a permanent squelch buffer.

There are two ways to maintain order in any community.  Through laws (i.e. direct intervention by the authorities in this case HTC), or through “social pressure”.

Any community that tries too maintain order using strictly social means needs to utilize two of the most powerful behavioral modification tools societies have traditionally used.  Shame, and Ostracization.  

To be effective, I would think a permanent squelch list should provide at least the following features:

1.   The squelch list must be persistent between user sessions and version upgrades.
2.   An easy and convenient interface to add and remove individuals to the squelch list.  Preferably with some kind of GUI, however, even a cfg file will suffice.
3.   Statistics should be kept on how many players have a player squelched and that should become one of the statistics displayable from the scores page.  Anyone at anytime can go a query the current “amazinhunk” ranking.  

This would be a powerful social tool for our player community to shape its members behavior.  

It helps quantify and display the community’s displeasure with an individual player.  It’s there for all to see on the scores page at anytime.  There are penalties for annoying the other players and those penalties are mercilessly visible for all to see. And ranked.   Might be interesting for squadrons to be able to query to scores page to see how applicants for membership have behaved in the past.

Shame.

What is the one thing a problem child craves most?  Attention.  Nothing will annoy the whiners more than knowing that no one is listening anymore.  Not just that they are rolling their eyes and willing themselves not to reply, but that the text isn’t even making it to their buffer.  Turn their mic off.  Remove their forum.  Make them irrelevant.  They can pout and rant and taunt and whine and throw fits all they want but the words fall into a vacuum.  Their audience has turned their collective back.  

Ostracization.

I understand the arguments that HTC might have against this.  I understand that their goal is to promote social interaction between players in order to foster community and they don’t like the idea of players permanently cutting comm lines.  However, by not providing a permanent squelch list where I can surgically place troublemakers, I am most often forced to squelch the entire chan1.  Sometime I’ve even wanted to squelch chan2 when those individuals are on my own country team but I can’t even do that.  And since I can’t totally remove the text box they are able to insinuate themselves into my buffer.  When I’m searching the text buffer for useful information I am forced to constantly have to step over their verbal excrement.

None of us have to power to control who HTC accepts as customers.  I wouldn’t want too.  Anyone they can get $30 out of they're welcome to.  But by giving us a tool like this you allow each user to trim the population down until they have created the type of community they are most comfortable with.  You empower the user to refine with whom he has social interaction.

If you like whining and complaining; if you like talking and hearing smack, then don’t squelch.  If you don’t like certain peoples behaviors then squelch’em.  Eventually, each player tailors the community that they want.   No one if forced to squelch anyone.  It allows me and many other to not be forced to squelch all of chan1.  I have enjoyed many good times on chan1 with good natured banter but lately it just hasn’t been worth the cost.  There are certain people who I would like to right click on their roster name and POOF they’re gone forever.  I don’t see them on channel 1, not on channel 2, not on private comms.  Nada. Nothing.  Not now, not the next day I play, not next month.  Forever.  With one click.

It’s the perfect solution. Everyone configures the flavor of community they enjoy.    Everyone gets what they want.  Except the whiners who want attention and fek them.

Thank you for your consideration.


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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2001, 08:33:00 PM »
Now that was a well presented argument.  

Good points Wab.  Although I don't think the AH community is in danger of self-destructing any time soon, I think your suggestion has some merit.

Attention whiners... this was what you should be striving for.  All well written post that makes a constructive suggestion backed up with a buttload of information and some well-formed opinions.  It's an anti-whine!

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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2001, 08:50:00 PM »
Well said Wab... I second that.

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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2001, 08:57:00 PM »
Gets my vote.

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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2001, 09:02:00 PM »
Good points AKWabbit.

The consequence free environment that constitutes AH, this forum and online gaming in general has brought out behavior that otherwise would not be tolerated in any other social setting.  HTC's "Bad Word Buffer" is an attempt to address this issue.  Your "Squelch List" is another solution, and one that I think should be implemented.  However, both of these methods focus on reducing the symptoms but do not address the source of the problem.  

It is my opinion that one way HTC can create a positive environment based on civility, good sportsmanship, and the free exchange of opinions is to hold individual offenders accountable for their actions.  In the end HTC is responsible for the conduct within the Arena and on this Forum. To promote a different atmosphere, HTC could develop a set of guidelines defining the behavior they want to promote. Then enforce the guidelines by actively Moderating the MA and the Forum.

To expect the community to police itself is unrealistic, impractical and to date impossible.  The majority chooses not to address the offender, knowing that it rarely does anything other than feed the flames and offer the attention that the culprit desires.  This tacit acceptance reinforces the bad behavior as the culprit "gets away with it".  Over time this behavior becomes the norm.  Once a new set of guidelines is established and enforced, these new more game affirming behaviors will become the norm and self policing will have a greater affect.

What atmosphere do you expect when you go to the movie theater? ;) I do not think it is too much to ask for HTC to provide a safe, fun, positive environment in which to enjoy their game. I don't think the current state of affairs is what they had in mind when they dreamed this thing up.  


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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2001, 09:16:00 PM »
Why would you need a permanant squelch list? Fingers tired? Mispell thier names when ya try to squelch em? Sounds kinda lazy to me. How bout you go about it the way I do. I invite anybody that talks good smack to the TA. EZY fun and nine times outta ten were friends by the time the duel is over. If the said party doesnt wanna go then the whole arena knows he's balless. They usually shutup after this and when you see them again in the arena you usually say "HI!" instead of spouting off at each other. NEWBIES!! TRY this! Its the best for getting your flying skill up to a higher plane(sorry bout the pun) CITI Im ready for ya now!!!! To the TA!!! RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2001, 12:00:00 AM »
I'd like to have a permanent squelch.

It's the same guys every time, usually.

Why type them in every time you log on?

AH remembers our last plane/loadout and fuel. Why does it do that? To save repetitive tasks.

Same/same permanent squelch.  
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2001, 12:03:00 AM »
Got my vote...I'd like to be able to unsquelch ch.1 also, but when I do, it gets squelched again real quick.

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2001, 12:05:00 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2001, 12:07:00 AM »
The squelch list is neccessary!
The community is in a decline, while AH has gained customers lately, i'd imagine more than a few have been scared off by the dark clouds in the MA.  I see more and more arguements and flame wars now than I did 3 months ago.  LLB you've taken part in your share of em too, and so have I.  Its bloody contagious!!

The 2 week trial is great for bringing customers into the game, and I understand that the more available the download is the more they will come, but holy sht!!  where do some of these people come from?
Watched a character by the name of Gas tonight, first thing I saw in the text buffer from him I think was "FUK YOU JEWS"

There is no perfect solution, monitoring the arena comes with a whole bunch of other issues, and costs that we don't need.  The permasquelch list is perhaps the best compromise/solution we have at the moment.

I also need a self restraint apparatus, perhaps a yardstick that slaps my knuckles when I let go of the joystick...

HT the community has asked for this list several times, where do you stand on this issue?

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2001, 01:13:00 AM »
Akskurj i agree with you 100%, we have had this conversation before.  i think that this community is going to hell, but im not suprised.  kick me in the balls, i mean it, but the free 2 weeks is an offer to get 3dfiles.com shmucko quakers to come here and fediddle it for all of us.  these are the whiners and insult throwers (with a few exceptions) forget it im dumb and my opinion doesnt count

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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2001, 01:22:00 AM »
Go Fascism, YAAAA TEAM!!

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2001, 02:09:00 AM »
Toggle show/hide text buffer would be useful.  Most of the time I'm on RW with my squad, and I could definitely do without unnecessary garbage in the text buffer (kill messages etc.).
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2001, 04:02:00 AM »
Wabbit - Kudos!

 
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3. Statistics should be kept on how many players have a player squelched and that should become one of the statistics displayable from the scores page. Anyone at anytime can go a query the current “amazinhunk” ranking.

Brilliant.

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2001, 04:28:00 AM »
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Toggle show/hide text buffer would be useful.  Most of the time I'm on RW with my squad, and I could definitely do without unnecessary garbage in the text buffer (kill messages etc.
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Now HERE's and easy fix!!  Grand idea



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