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Offline hubsonfire

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« on: July 05, 2004, 02:13:01 PM »
I stumbled across a page the otherday with a decent (as far as i know, anyway) history of the hurricanes, typhs, and tempests. I know its a slow bastard, but the hurricane, the site claimed, while outclassed by even the early midwar fighters, was put to regular use as a ground attack plane, being equipped with those wonder hizookas, 250 and 500 pound bombs, and (violently salivating) rockets!  Granted, I'm a dedicated early war plane guy, but I would looooove to see rockets added as a weapon loadout.

Can anyone set us up with some good accurate info on this? Was this a common setup? See action in many different theaters? These the same rockets commonly used by the typhoons?

Anyway, I've noticed that the hurri 2c and 2d are seeing a lot more use these days, and I thought this might make a nice "simple little" addon some day.

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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2004, 02:51:47 PM »
What you are refering to was the Hawker Hurricabe Mk. IV.
Built in 1943 powerd by a Merlin 24, V12, liquid-cooled, 1,298HP
Max speed 283
Amament: 2x40mm cannons, 2 303 machine guns, 1,002 lb of bombs and rockets.
This hurri could carry a total of 8 rockets 4 on each wing. Or have 6 rockets and 2 250 bombs.
The airframe was strengthened and drove a four-bladed prop opposed to the 3. Only 2 were modified to the Mk.IV. The project was later abandoned.

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2004, 03:00:40 PM »
Think it was the Hurricane II with the universal wing that could carry rockets (Hurri-2E maybe?).

I'm not sure that the Hurri-2C ever carried rockets, not that it would need them.

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2004, 03:13:21 PM »
Found the website again. its
"http://www.aviation-history.com/hawker/hurrcane.html"
 
I'm trying to find more info on this. I know Urchin, its not a 'need', but its a 'want', and let's face it, this game is all about what I want. =) Alright, maybe I'm delusional. Also, there's no guarantee any of the following is even accurate, but hey, I've got some free time to kill..
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When it became clear that the Hurricane was becoming outclassed as a pure fighter, other duties were assigned to it. In October 1941 the 'Hurribomber' fighter-bomber came into being, carrying either two 113 kg (250 lb) or two 226 kg (500 lb) bombs under its wings. The Mk IID of 1942 was fitted with two 40 mm cannon for tank busting and two machine-guns, and was operated mainly in North Africa against Rommel's desert forces and in Burma against the Japanese. Other Hurricanes carried rocket projectiles as alternative ground attack weapons.


The year 1943 saw two important developments in the Hurricanes history--the introduction of the Mark IV and the adoption of the Hurricane to fire rocket missiles or, as they were initially known, "unrifled projectiles". The Hurricane IV differed from the Mark II in two respects: it used a Merlin 24 or 27 which developed 1,620 h.p. for take-off, and it featured "low attack" or universal armament wings. These wings were derived from those fitted to the Hurricane IID and could carry the 40-mm. Vickers or Rolls Royce cannon, bombs, drop-tanks or rocket projectiles. The Hurricane IV was in service by March 1943 and was operational in the Middle and Far East theatres until the end of the war, and in Europe until the end of 1944. The development of the aircraft rocket had introduced a new factor in the use of aircraft as ground-assault weapons, and the Hurricane IIB and IIC were the first single-seaters to employ the rockets operationally. After extended trials at the A. & A.E.E. and elsewhere with rockets launched from Hurricanes (commencing with Z2415 which was fitted with three launching rails under each wing early in 1942), No. 137 Squadron took its rocket carrying Hurricanes into action for the first time at the beginning of September 1943. Hurricane IIBs, IICs, and IVs were fitted with four rockets under each wing.

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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2004, 03:25:52 PM »
Hurri Mk. IV

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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2004, 03:45:36 PM »
Great pic, she's a beaut'.

Finding kinda mixed info, but it looks like there were a good number of mk4s produced, and also some retrofits. Also looks like there weren't many (any?) in the ETO either. Seems as though the poweplant and wings were the main diff's between the 2s and 4s. I'd still like to fire those 60 pounders at stuff. While I would like to have the (purported) first allied rocket-carrying warplanes, everywhere I've looked says the tiff's did the same job better. Ah well, I can dream.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2004, 03:50:48 PM »
I totaly agree hub.
I have always flown the hurri. I just like the old bird.
Would be very nice to have some rockets on her.:)

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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2004, 04:02:13 PM »
The IId, with the 40mm Vickers cannons and 15 rds ea, was used by No5, 6, 20, 184 RAF and No7 SAAF. Only 184 operated in Europe, the others operated in NA. The .303s were used for ranging the cannons. Armour to the tune of 386lb was added to bribf the all uo weight to 8,218lb.

The Mk IV had 524 examples built with most going to NA and the FE theatres. No 137, 164, 184 flew operationally from the UK until March '44. No 438, 439, and 440 RCAF flew the IV in the UK, but not operationally, before converting to Typhoons. Only 137 and 164 are known to have used their 40mms in action, majority of sorties being with rockets. The Mk IV had 350lb of armour. Eleven Sqds were eventually equiped with the Mk IV.

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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2004, 04:33:01 PM »
Hurri's with rockets were used mainly against the Japenese,Instead of the Typhoon and Tempests which were used only in the ETO.

    I would love to see the Hurri' with rockets,it turns better than the tiffie too.:)

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2004, 05:34:09 PM »
Yea, but what was the armament on the universal wings when it wasn't carrying the 2 40mm?  

I always kind of thought it had 2 .303's, and then either bombs, rockets, or the 40mm.  

Would it have 2 .303s and 4 20mm?

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2004, 06:51:27 PM »
I think you're right on the armament, Urchin. I can't find anything that lists the hispanos on the IIE/IV (pretty much the same plane, think only power plant/desert tuning changed). Almost everything I've found so far lists 2 .303s, then the cannon 'pods', bombs, or rockets- haven't found any combo's of cannons & ord.

The Belgian IVs (can't find any production/combat figures for them) apparently used FN/Browning .50 cals, 2 in each wing (gee, wonder why?), but nearly everything else points to the IV being our 2D, with a bit more power, a little more armor for the pilot/engine, and a choice of ord or cannons.

It'd be pretty weakly armed for any A2A stuff when loaded with the ord, but it's a definite purpose-built machine, so the mg loadout is moot point.

I see the C and D are starting to get popular with the MA crowd for anti'GV stuff, so I thought it'd be a cool addition. The C fitted with rockets would be, IMO, a little too over the top for a GV hunter. The hizookas already roast tanks, and who'd want some clown like me killing 10-15 gvs per run in a poop-brown earlywar bird? :D
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2004, 01:40:29 AM »
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Originally posted by scott123
I would love to see the Hurri' with rockets,it turns better than the tiffie too.:)


OK you want to see em, here they are :)

Hurricane IVs with rockets on one wing and the drop tank under the other, operating in the Balkans in 1944 against the Germans.

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2004, 02:03:04 AM »
Digging through my stuff as I'm late to this party.

And I quote:

"In 1943 the final production model, the Hurricane IV, made its debut.  Originally designated Hurricane IIE(270 machines delivered before the designation was changed) the Mk.IV featured "low attack" or universal armament wings, these being capable of carrying 40mm Vickers Cannon, bombs, drop tanks, or "unrifled projectiles" as rocket missles were originally known....
With eight 60lb rockets, the Hurricane IV had a maximum loaded weight  of 8500 lbs, and at a mean weight of 7700 lbs attained maximum speeds of 265 mph at 7000 feet and 284 mph at 13,500 feet.

524 Hurricane IVs and 270 similar Hurricane IIEs were issued to the RAF"

Including a photos of a Hurri IIE with rockets.  Same bird from different angles.

No 20mm cannons on any of those IIE, IVs.  Just a sighting MG it appears if anything at all

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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2004, 01:31:23 PM »
Deeply respect the Hurricane but mien-gott!!! What an ugly plane.

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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2004, 02:45:30 PM »
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What an ugly plane


bah, its just a manly spitfire...not the least bit ugly...looks better than the p-47's at any rate