Author Topic: NEA: No School Vouchers...VOTE KERRY!! (Read 1050 times)

rpm · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2004, 11:27:34 PM »

Lets see...
Teachers are for Kerry, but we all know teachers suck.
Policemen are for Kerry, but we all know policemen suck.
Firefighters are for Kerry, but we all know firefighters suck.

Looks like all the lazy good for nothings are voting Kerry.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2004, 12:55:16 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
Lets see...
Teachers are for Kerry, but we all know teachers suck.
Policemen are for Kerry, but we all know policemen suck.
Firefighters are for Kerry, but we all know firefighters suck.

Looks like all the lazy good for nothings are voting Kerry.

UNIONS......NOT the teachers policeman and firefighters themselves.....ITS the UNION bigwigs that give the endorcements and ask their members to vote their way!

capt. apathy · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2004, 01:54:32 AM »

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Am I getting this right.....he opposes abortion but supports a womans right to choose? can this guy really be on both sides of every issue?

how hard is this to understand?

I believe life begins at conception.
I believe abortion is murder.
I refuse to have any involvement in one and don't want my tax dollars to go to pay for a single one.
I accept the fact that while it is wrong( and in an ideal world, it should not exist), there isn't a damn thing I can do to make the situation better.

If a woman hates her baby enough to kill it, or is so fluff'n selfish and irresponsible that she would rather kill her own child than own up to the responsibility's she has allowed herself to be exposed to, then what the hell do you think you can do about it?

do you force her to take it to term? you hire cops to spend the day with her? make sure she takes vitamins, eats right and stays sober? or do you just deny the abortion, let her poison the poor kid, let it be born with all sorts of handicaps and side-effects into a world with a mother who didn't want him even before she knew how fluffied up he was gonna be?

any of those situations sound better too you?

maybe you have a better plan? you come up with one and I'll vote for you.

but for now it's just the way it is. it's a messed up situation, but I don't see anything that would make it better. not every problem can be made better, if you are a smarter type guy you know when to accept that and let a situation be. if your one of the "I gotta do something, even if it's wrong" type of guys you can jump right in there and pass a few laws that create bigger problems than the original ever was.

you want to do something real to stop abortion? make sure jobs are available for people who need them, and make sure they pay enough that a man can support his family on what he makes.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #18 on:** July 06, 2004, 07:44:53 AM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
how hard is this to understand?

I believe life begins at conception.
I believe abortion is murder.
I refuse to have any involvement in one and don't want my tax dollars to go to pay for a single one.
I accept the fact that while it is wrong( and in an ideal world, it should not exist), there isn't a damn thing I can do to make the situation better.

If a woman hates her baby enough to kill it, or is so fluff'n selfish and irresponsible that she would rather kill her own child than own up to the responsibility's she has allowed herself to be exposed to, then what the hell do you think you can do about it?

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ITS SIMPLE......DONT SUPPPORT MURDER...you said it yourself...it is MURDER......

SECOND.....DONT ELECT THOSE THAT DO!

Saying a woman has the right to chose is like saying a man has the right to choose.....he cant just say I Dont want to be a father.

I've allways said their are situations that warrent it but it's MURDER

Does a woman have the right to kill her 2 year old because she cant take it anymore or her carreer is suffering? NO why? because its MURDER....no difference!

lazs2 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 06, 2004, 08:03:06 AM »

What? teachers are against vouchers and for kerry? nooooo! Next you will be telling me that colored people will vote unanimously for him and maybe even women and idealistic young mush heads who haven't figured out the game yet.

Well.. we wouldn't want people to know how it could be or to.... have choice now would we?

firefighters and police are not for kerry tho.. their unions are.. so are the unions of auto workers and even public employees... Anyone who wishes to limit choice.

life begining at conceptin makes it murder when you end it any time after that. I have no problem with murder but ....let's not call it " a womans right to choose" That is like calling executions the states right to choose. It is good for us to admit what we are doing.

lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #20 on:** July 06, 2004, 08:03:46 AM »

for anyone to state "I believe life does begin at conception"

and then say abortion should/stay as a legal nothing more than, please do not include "mothers health" crapola line, than a morning after "oops" birth control method is unbalanced & undecisive at best and more likely just a two faced "wanna make both sides happy" liar - that what you want to lead?

wonder how edwards feels about it ?? - LOL

capt. apathy · « **Reply #21 on:** July 06, 2004, 12:48:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
ITS SIMPLE......DONT SUPPPORT MURDER...you said it yourself...it is MURDER......

SECOND.....DONT ELECT THOSE THAT DO!

Saying a woman has the right to chose is like saying a man has the right to choose.....he cant just say I Dont want to be a father.

I've allways said their are situations that warrent it but it's MURDER

Does a woman have the right to kill her 2 year old because she cant take it anymore or her carreer is suffering? NO why? because its MURDER....no difference!

again. what is your better solution?

make it illegal and let hese people bring neglected or abused kids into the world (after who knows what the uncaring ***** did to them while she was pregnant)?

or do we asign cops to watch all pregnant women to make sure the don't try to kill the kid with their lifestyle?

some issues you can't change by making it a law. the greatest decline in abortions(since the where legalised and figures could be kept) and teen pregnancy where during the Clinton years. and there where no more restrictive laws, these changes where brought about by education and a reasonable chance at a future that could suport a child.

Lizking · « **Reply #22 on:** July 06, 2004, 01:04:41 PM »

That should tell you that an increasing number of women do not consider abortion a viable alternative, Capt. Apathy, and that would have nothing to do with the administration.

lazs2 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 06, 2004, 02:42:16 PM »

not that it matters but the group that is getting the most abortions is middle class white women. There is no huge pool of "unwanted" little white babies that are up for adoption. In fact they are worth quite a bit.

lazs

capt. apathy · « **Reply #24 on:** July 06, 2004, 02:44:53 PM »

I agree completely. and that is how you stop abortion, to get people to know it's evil, and refuse to be a part of it.

the only way to stop abortion is to get people to understand that it is wrong. you can't legislate morality. you may feel better, feel that you are doing something, but if it doesn't fix the problem or just causes bigger problems it's not worth doing.

we do need to do some things to legally fight it. refusing to allow our tax dollars to support programs who teach that it is 'just another option', and nothing more than a simple medical procedure would be an excellent start.

wklink · « **Reply #25 on:** July 06, 2004, 03:04:52 PM »

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the only way to stop abortion is to get people to understand that it is wrong. you can't legislate morality. you may feel better, feel that you are doing something, but if it doesn't fix the problem or just causes bigger problems it's not worth doing.

Just playing devil's advocate here...

A lot of people in the South said that about integrating the schools.

lazs2 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:02:04 AM »

integrating schools was a bandaid that was used to patch up the basic problem with public schools... the fact that they can be so bad and that people who live in some neigborhoods or cities or states get 10 times better education...

vouchers are the ultimate equalizer.

lazs

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:59:44 AM »

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ITS SIMPLE......DONT SUPPPORT MURDER...you said it yourself...it is MURDER......

So is the death penalty..IT'S MURDER

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Saying a woman has the right to chose is like saying a man has the right to choose.....

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he cant just say I Dont want to be a father.

No but he CAN use a condom, or at least foot the bill for 1/2 the bill for birth control pills... and many men demonstrate they don't want to be a father, simply by walking away...but everyone gets upset when some teenager has a kid then abandons it in a church...or a dumpster...

Thrawn · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:14:04 AM »

As I've learned from Christians in discussions regarding the 10 Commandments, murder is an illegal killing.

Abortion isn't illegal, therefor it's not murder.

Also, execution isn't illegal (at least in some states) therefor it's not murder.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:14:22 AM »

Interesting how someone so opposed to government and taxation would support vouchers. There's a real issue about being double taxed.(Once for the taxes which pay for public school and again for tuition of private school.)

What if we don't use state funds? if not, then how does the state mandate a curriculum for the students in private schools? How does the state ensure every fourth grader has been introduced to the same subjects of learning such as Math, English, Social Studies, and Science with out the contributions of funds?

1.Since most of the schools in the program are religious, government funding violates the 1st Amendment separation of church and state. The fact is that over 95 percent of all school vouchers go to religious schools.

2.Vouchers take funds away from already underfunded public schools. One of the biggest reasons public schools are failing is that they can't keep up with the ever increasing cost of books, teachers, computers, security, etc. If we start subsidizing private schools, much-needed funds will be diverted from the public schools. This will only make bad schools worse.

3.Private schools aren't accountable to any oversight organization; thus, they may not act responsibly. Public schools are subject to government oversight and more rules & regulation. Thus, tighter control is placed on the teaching methods and system of education. With little or no oversight, we don't know how well private schools will perform.

4. Public schools must accept everyone regardless of disabilities, test scores, religion, or other characteristics; private schools can show favoritism or discrimination in selecting students. Private schools can establish any criteria they want for selecting or rejecting students. Thus, they can discriminate or make eligibility standards much more difficult for poorer students. Public schools on the other hand must accommodate all types of students regardless of what challenges they present. Government funds should be kept with the public schools that take on these challenges rather than private schools that may discriminate.