Author Topic: I want finite number of planes, eh, eh... (Read 1290 times)

Sikboy · « **Reply #15 on:** July 08, 2004, 04:17:18 PM »

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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
WarBirds staffers did a great job. Too bad AH staffers arent as good!

It's certainly not a matter of ability. The change would be fairly easy to make. A CT Staffer would have to change 1 arena setting twice. Once at 8:00 to start the death limits, and once to turn them off at 12:00.

I believe it would be easy to do from a technical standpoint.

-Sik

Reschke · « **Reply #16 on:** July 08, 2004, 07:01:00 PM »

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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
WarBirds staffers did a great job. Too bad AH staffers arent as good!

Yeah I remember those days of having to see what sort of crap was going to be pulled then. To bad I have a life outside of AH, a family and a job and don't need to sit on my arse all day making sure children can play nice among themselves.

TheBug · « **Reply #17 on:** July 08, 2004, 09:03:08 PM »

Sound a little bitter there Reschke.

They ran the Target for Tonight event with limited lives in Warbird's Historical arena on Thursday nights and I thought it was one of the better events. It's loose format made it appealing to many, and it's Historical basis appealing to others. At no time did I get the sense that the staffer who was running it was "baby sitting". Yes it took a lot of effort on his part to organize it, but many were appreciative of his efforts.

Effort in my opinion is where the CT staffers lack the most. Load the settings for a week, make a post about it then disappear. So maybe you do have a life, a family or other interests outside of this game. So to that I have to say, yet again, if you haven't the time to make the effort than get out of the way and let someone else make an attempt at the job. You staffers seem to hold onto the position as some type of prestige. But I don't understand what prestige you find in a poorly done job??

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Sikboy · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2004, 09:05:50 AM »

Last time I pimped the CAP event in the CT Forum I got an earfull however...

We do have a 4 life event on Saturdays (re-starting in AHII on the 17th). Up to four lives, 2.5 hours. Information on the latest frame can be found here:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123062

I'm sure that the setup is unfair to both sides, and totally impossible for either side to win, but we try to have fun

Nothing more fun than flying in a formation of Kates

-Sik

-Concho- · « **Reply #19 on:** July 09, 2004, 09:33:05 AM »

Soulyss I love your sig.

It's the truth.

TheBug · « **Reply #20 on:** July 09, 2004, 04:52:19 PM »

CAP went way too Eurotrash friendly with it's start time.

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Originally posted by Sikboy
Last time I pimped the CAP event in the CT Forum I got an earfull however...

We do have a 4 life event on Saturdays (re-starting in AHII on the 17th). Up to four lives, 2.5 hours. Information on the latest frame can be found here:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123062

I'm sure that the setup is unfair to both sides, and totally impossible for either side to win, but we try to have fun Nothing more fun than flying in a formation of Kates

-Sik

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #21 on:** July 09, 2004, 06:35:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Reschke
Yeah I remember those days of having to see what sort of crap was going to be pulled then. To bad I have a life outside of AH, a family and a job and don't need to sit on my arse all day making sure children can play nice among themselves.

Doesnt have to be ALL DAY, just a few hours during squad night prime times

as was the way it was done in WarBirds.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #22 on:** July 09, 2004, 06:36:47 PM »

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Originally posted by TheBug
Sound a little bitter there Reschke.

They ran the Target for Tonight event with limited lives in Warbird's Historical arena on Thursday nights and I thought it was one of the better events. It's loose format made it appealing to many, and it's Historical basis appealing to others. At no time did I get the sense that the staffer who was running it was "baby sitting". Yes it took a lot of effort on his part to organize it, but many were appreciative of his efforts.

Effort in my opinion is where the CT staffers lack the most. Load the settings for a week, make a post about it then disappear. So maybe you do have a life, a family or other interests outside of this game. So to that I have to say, yet again, if you haven't the time to make the effort than get out of the way and let someone else make an attempt at the job. You staffers seem to hold onto the position as some type of prestige. But I don't understand what prestige you find in a poorly done job??

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Reschke · « **Reply #23 on:** July 10, 2004, 01:07:05 AM »

Bitter...yeah maybe I am a little. So be it. As for "prestige" with this position...well if there was any then it wore off about 10 seconds after taking Brady up on the offer of the position.

Another thing that makes me a little bitter is the accusations about "staffers" not caring what happens in this arena. That is plain ridiculous. Believe me the effort is there and the input of time is there as well.

I was one of several players who wrote to HTC often about enabling a "historical" arena aside from the plain jane MA. I wish everyday that this game had a more complete plane set every day so setups like my Soccer War, Artiks Israel vs. Egypt and Second Wind weren't part of the thought process about what we can do each week. So hearing someone continually piss and moan about the staff does get me a little bitter when all that is heard is complaints and nothing really constructive but maybe I just have a hard time seeing through my blindman glasses.

But thats not what this thread is about is it? The topic is this person wanting a "finite number of plane" to be allocated for each player in the weeks setup. All great fine and dandy but it simply can't be done with the way the game is currently setup.

As I have said in order to do that it will kill this arena faster than anything else that anyone could do to it. With the low numbers of people who play in here it simply wouldn't work. How would you like to step into an arena on Friday night (day one of a setup) and only have...lets say 5 lives...to spend between then and the following Thursday? Sure some would say great and I would honestly give it my best shot at keeping those 5 lives. However given the nature of how this game is played by even the best players in all likely hood those 5 lives would be spent within 24 hours. Then what are you going to do? Beg, borrow or start a new account?

So again lets have something constructive on the topic or just let it die off the board here.

Thanks! Hopefully when I run my next setup I can truly upset the entire CT community instead of just the same old 2-3 I upset each time. Just so you all know its going to be a Pacific setup and the F4U-1C is going to be in it also. If I had a map with nothing but carriers I would run that one but I don't so I won't.

Oleg · « **Reply #24 on:** July 10, 2004, 02:59:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Reschke
However given the nature of how this game is played by even the best players in all likely hood those 5 lives would be spent within 24 hours. Then what are you going to do? Beg, borrow or start a new account?

I think you wrong slightly. In fact, most ppl fly about 2-5 hours per day but not all 24. Personally I rare fly more then 2 hours and 5 lives per day are quite enough for me (but i dont want such limitation of course). Second, if you VERY careful (not best, just careful), fly in faster plane when enemy, never fight w/o alt or number advantage and run if you havent such advantage, you can keep your live almost forever. But if everybody will follow that rules there will not fights at all. It will be most boring setup in CT history

Hope I will never see it

(sorry for my english)

Grits · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2004, 08:31:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Oleg
Second, if you VERY careful (not best, just careful), fly in faster plane when enemy, never fight w/o alt or number advantage and run if you havent such advantage, you can keep your live almost forever.

In other words, fly like MaggieHawk.

One more time so nobody misses it:

Scenarios/Snapshots=limited lives
Combat Theater=not limited lives

TheBug · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2004, 12:19:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Reschke

Another thing that makes me a little bitter is the accusations about "staffers" not caring what happens in this arena. That is plain ridiculous. Believe me the effort is there and the input of time is there as well.

For a very small percentage of staffers I agree this is true and only at times. Or maybe you're seeing something I'm not 'cause imo it really doesn't show, beyond setting up and posting on BBS. But I've been wrong before, so please enlighten me.

I do not advocate limited lives in the CT at all. I was just pointing out how it was done in Warbirds, and that it wasn't baby-sitting. I wish we could have one night of limited lives in the CT but I just don't think we have the player support in AH for that type of stuff. Things/people were different in Warbirds and that made it possible for it to work. Even in Warbirds though they allowed 6 lives(because they couldn't differentiate from Vehicle/Plane lives) and within in the 3 hours of the event it was rare for somebody to lose all their lives.

Target for Tonight from Warbirds was very much like AH's CAP event, except it used limited lives, not roll windows and also started at a normal time. It was more of an event for squads to form up, plan some missions with clear cut objectives set by the staffer in a historical enviroment.

But I agree AH has enough events that there is no need to push limited lives into the CT. It just that some of the events are at bad start times, poorly run or poorly populated that leaves me longing for more.

sparow · « **Reply #27 on:** July 11, 2004, 04:12:28 PM »

I must say that I am watching this thread drift from it's initial topic, wich was, how to make a CT week long scenario have a finite number or aircraft in it...

I have never participated in an AH Event or Scenario, unlike in previous experiences, where I was an enthusiastic entrant.
It never happened because of schedule restrictions on my part, nothing else.

But I think it is a bit unfair to go after "Staffers" like some of you are...Try to criticise constructively, taking care of these events is very time consuming and complicated to manage and we all do this for fun, having other priorities in RL to attend to.

I see now how complicated is is to have finite number of planes in CT setups.

I accept that limitation.

And I would like to say "thank you" to all that helped creating CT and keep it running. If I only had MA I already had left AH a long time ago.

Now, what we should do is open a new thread about "what we should do to make CT a better, improved and outstanding arena?"

Sparrow

Sikboy · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2004, 11:38:37 AM »

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Originally posted by TheBug

Target for Tonight from Warbirds was very much like AH's CAP event, except it used limited lives, not roll windows and also started at a normal time. [/B]

Just FYI, CAP starts at 3:00 PM Eastern, the same time Scenarios Usually Start.

It used to start at 5:30 Eastern.

I can understand not liking the time, but thought I'd make sure you were aware of the change.

-Sik

Reschke · « **Reply #29 on:** July 12, 2004, 03:00:45 PM »

Gee I guess I am like a moth to the flame but here goes again. I understand all the concerns and have been on the opposite end of the argument before. So here goes my responses after a weekend of sneaking around in the game.

Oleg you are exactly right. It can be done but doing it that way will have the same effect as what you point out. That point being you will take away the fun factor...its not much fun to play like that even though that is probably very close to what it was really like in air combat during WW2. But many men flew that way as a means to survive again till the next day.

Bug thanks as usual for the comments and the thought provoking ideas. As I said up top after this past weekend I looked at it from a different point of view and yes I do see this game from a different view point than you guys do. We as a staff have some lively discussions on the staff only board about different setups and ideas to make this a better arena for everyone. So it doesn't get seen by you guys the everyday players; although once Brady stepped away the discussions haven't been nearly as spirited.

Last thing thoguh one day your campaign may sway a few "votes"; as with everything in life it takes time. !