Author Topic: I want finite number of planes, eh, eh... (Read 1111 times)

sparow · « **on:** July 05, 2004, 04:12:06 PM »

Hi chaps!

I would like to know if it is possible to build a scenario with a finite number of planes (for both sides).
If possible, why don't we try it, once, at least?

All that was needed was to check the historical order of battle or post-war intelligence to have a realistic number and the apply it to the arena...That way there would be at least two victory conditions...Arena reset or last man (plane) standing!

I know, I'm a pain, you are going to tease me and flame from all directions but I'm a stubburn git!

Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Sparow

Arlo · « **Reply #1 on:** July 05, 2004, 04:16:07 PM »

Ain't gonna flame ya. It'd be nice to have such a setting (for events). I don't think there's one. Guess maybe if a staffer wanted to babysit it he could shut down bases that "use up" their allotments but that would take the players keeping tabs, reporting it honestly and wanting to be part of it.

Who knows what AHII will morph into over time, though.

Reschke · « **Reply #2 on:** July 05, 2004, 04:32:31 PM »

The only way for us to limit you the player and us the staffer for that matter is to set the numbers of deaths at a certain point just as it has been done in scenarios past. I personally don't like that for open play of any type and think that would be a fast road to the death of any arena in this game.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #3 on:** July 05, 2004, 05:30:14 PM »

Dont know if it can be done in AH but in the Warbirds "Historic Arena", at times, we were given three lives from 8pm eastern till midnight eastern. That cut out a lot of this suicide jabo and GV shi1t

o0Stream140o · « **Reply #4 on:** July 05, 2004, 06:08:34 PM »

Didn't we try something like this before? On a BOB map...?

sparow · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:37:10 PM »

Hi chaps!

I also cannot agree with this solution for an open arena like MA.
CT is a little bit different...
An attrition model would have some advantages, for example:
CT, BoB Scenario: according to some sources (not very accurate), Luftflotte 2, 3 and 5 mustered between 1200 to 1500 long range twin-engined bombers, mostly He111, Ju88, Do27, maybe some include here the Bf110...Between 280 and 350 Ju87's and between 1000 Bf109 and Bf110 or, for some, 300 Bf110 and 940 Bf109 and other single-engined fighters.
Found no numbers in british medium and heavy bombers, but it's consensual number that the single-engined fighters, all together, were about 700, from wich 620 Hurricanes and Spitfires, Hurris beeing 2/3 or more of the total.
Well, we would have to have a huge attendance in CT to deplete all these aircraft in a week, wouldn't we?
And if we distributed 1 fighter Squad per field, 2 Flights at 2 sections each, about 18 to 20 fighters per field, and if that number diminished with combat losses or through Hangar bombing, that would give greater meaning to CAP and interception, wouldn't it? Besides, if fuel burn rates where more realistic and ALL aircraft had to take-off with full tanks, that would be even better!
I believe that fighter pilots, like bomber pilots, would think twice before running suicidal runs and that old replaning thing that is so annoying (I do that too, btw).
Shouldn't we, at least, try that?

Thank you all for your replies,

Sparow

Just my five cents...

gear · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2004, 06:16:59 PM »

Here's a thought.How about when you capture a base you get to fly thier aircraft that was based there(unless you destroy the hangers the you fly your own).Now that would be a good twist to the game:aok

Soulyss · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2004, 06:23:07 PM »

Even if it were possible, I will never ever use any sort of limited lives in any setup I run, period.

Bad idea in an open arena. Would make people less likely to engage unless they carried the initial advantage, would be a week of dot chasing. Which would mean a week of boredom for me. The community of regulars is relatively small, the regulars would use of their lives early on and the arena would be empty by the end of the week. If it were a general pool that the lives were drawn from, one weenie in the off hours could come in up and auger and ruin it for one side. The arena would require near constant babysitting on the part of the staffer.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2004, 10:42:08 PM »

WarBirds staffers did a great job. Too bad AH staffers arent as good!

Grits · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2004, 11:44:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Soulyss
The arena would require near constant babysitting on the part of the staffer.

I agree with you on the "limited lives", that is what scenarios like Kurland and the upcoming BoB are for, however, considering the large number of titty-babies we have, a permanant baby sitter might still be required.

EDIT: for attrocious spelling errors.

Soulyss · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2004, 12:40:58 AM »

sparow · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2004, 04:09:21 PM »

Gentlemen, please...

First thing I said was that I am not at all for limited lives or limited planes in open arena like MA! And, maybe, some sort of attrition model would be acceptable in scenarios or, to a certain degree, in CT.

Now, Gear had an extremely interesting idea! If you captured them, they would be yours! Only with a new skin!
But, otoh, when capture occurs, the field should be supplied with the new country's models, drawn automaticaly from rear fields...

My idea is not to limit one's lives, is to limit the total number of aircraft in a given arena/week/day...

The objective would be to make people think about their side's resources, avoiding pointless depletion.

Fields should be easier to close but harder to capture, IMHO...

Also, I expected that this management could be done automatically, not needing a constant assistance from the staff...That would be acceptable for an event/scenario, but totally unacceptable for a week long arena...

Besides, how long would it take to deplete completely the plane pool considering a week long CT arena with the current average, or total, attendance?

Sparow

TrueKill · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2004, 05:42:04 PM »

it would never work with limited A/C cuz some dumbfek would change side and crash planes as many times as he could just to screw it up

Reschke · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2004, 06:41:41 PM »

Thats just the crux of the matter Sparow. A staffer or HTC staff member would have to monitor the CT 24/7 for the duration of a setup. The CT is a special place that doesn't have the same controls as the MA or even as the SEA (since you can limit things automatically). In the CT you can limit aircraft (aka resources) by limiting them to certain fields and that is done for a large part.

However when people get into the arena whatever they do we can not account for 100% of the possible gameplay types that people have and as Truekill mentions. Some dillhole will just switch and crash all the aircraft for that country unless we limit the number of lives that they have for the week. That is unless you want to spend the entire week telling people that they have already used their....lets say 10 lives...in the first 3 hours of gameplay during the week. To me that would be a sure way to shut down the arena in a short amount of time.

What you are talking about however with movement of resources is not something that is able to happen with the way the coding of the basic game itself works. At least that is the way that I have heard it explained.

sparow · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2004, 02:33:03 PM »

Hi chaps!

Well, I have to hear the voice of reson...Yes, this would need to work on a trust basis...and that would be the end of it! :-))

Before I give up, one last idea: one player had to choose his side once only for the whole setup duration...No way he could change country...And the setup would have to reset daily...

I know...He could log with another identity and crash all planes he could get his hands on...

Ok, I give up...

Sparow :-(