Author Topic: flak panzer variants (Read 1268 times)

Heretic · « **Reply #30 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:30:22 PM »

Wow looks like this thread went south in a hurry!

Gentlemen this thread was started for the so called "tread heads".
I myself like the GV option in the game. I also know the Ltars would respond because they are very good GV drivers and gunners. True the osti is already modeled and maybe adding a few more guns to the package would be great. Then our Wirlblewind would be born. All the guys who wish for certain planes have their time on the BBS. Whats wrong with us tread heads wishing for something? Not a darn thing!
See ya all in the MA.

BTW....... You Ltars are alright in my book even if you have a red icon.

simshell · « **Reply #31 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:35:42 PM »

if it must get added it must be perked

Arlo · « **Reply #32 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:43:12 PM »

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Originally posted by SEgunner
Whats wrong with us tread heads wishing for something? Not a darn thing!
See ya all in the MA.

Who said ya couldn't? But just like planes .... there's smart suggestions for GVs .... and not so smart ones. Why should the "less-well-thought-out" suggestions for GVs be treated any different than the "less-well-thought-out" suggestions for aircraft? That Whirbleeywind rates right up (or down) there with the P-61 .... in my opinion. Nothin' personal about it. Unless someone want's to take it that way

(Get outa the MA and fly ... errrr .... drive around ... in the CT!)

hubsonfire · « **Reply #33 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:46:24 PM »

Nope, Sorry gunner, you should just face the facts: only the CT needs new models, not us MA dweebs. =) j/k

It was a real vehicle, it saw real use, it would be a simpler addition, and it would actually be useful in the MA.

Some folks hate the GV aspect of the game, and some people hate the MA. I think its great fun, and will happily welcome any and all vehicles, trains, boats, subs, shopping carts, warm bodies, wooly quadrapeds (Especially wooly quadrapeds), and anything else HTC might choose to add.

One thing I will add, it would need to be bright friggin' orange so I'd know not to attack it.

Arlo, it was a nice attempt at a hijack

, but the CT isn't paying the bills, the MA is. Gunner's right, start your own thread- not gonna argue with you here.

Cheers!

Pooh21 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:51:31 PM »

SEgunner the wirbelwind would rock because,
1,it would be fun to drive.
2.4x20mm mg151 dont gaurantee a 1 ping kill like, ostie,
3 numptys that fly straight at ack die anyway

its the 37mm fire(1ping kill,unless Il-2,then only 1/4 time) until you run outta ammo, that makes the ostwind suck, my mossberg 500 12 ga is hot after 32 rounds or so. over a few minutes. but the oswind fires as long as you pull the trigger without melting,or even better cooking off rounds on the stupid little loading tray.

Arlo · « **Reply #35 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:57:54 PM »

"I am curious if anyone here would like to see a four barelled flak vehicle. "

"Arlo, it was a nice attempt at a hijack , but the CT isn't paying the bills, the MA is. Gunner's right, start your own thread- not gonna argue with you here."

Kind of misleading if the only players actually being "allowed" to respond are those having an orgasm thinking about it, dontcha think? Or is that the point? Anything but a "Yeah me too!" is a hijack?

Welcome to the boards. Not everything you or anyone else says or suggests will neccesarily be given everyone's complete approval. Get over it. Unless YOU wanna keep talkin' bout it.

p.s. MA'll pay the bills anyway. MA is complete. Once the CT is ... it may see more playerflow. Those that like AHII with more of an historical flair and don't care for spitpizza 24/7 have been known to visit. Even truck drivers and cabbies.

simshell · « **Reply #36 on:** July 06, 2004, 06:24:37 PM »

Arlo im not sure what got in your head but the CT will never grow big why simple

people want to fly what they want and now not 2 months for the BOB to fly a 109

and you got the TOD around the corner which could just simple kill the CT right off

i realy do wish that the CT would get some life in it but its not going to happen now or down the road the main will allways hold the numbers like 50-1 in terms of players

complete CT still will not bring big numbers in

Arlo · « **Reply #37 on:** July 06, 2004, 07:14:56 PM »

I never said "grow big." I said bring numbers in. Of course the CT wil never even have half .... or even a quarter ... the number of players in it that the MA has at any given time. That doesn't mean it's doomed to extinction yet. TOD is still a long ways off and the CT currently has the support of HTC.

Yeah ... there's the non-historical doom-types who want the bestest baddest thing in the air 24/7 and could care less what the terrain looks like as long as there's a fight one minute or less from wheels up .... and their numbers are legion. But you'd be surprised how often I've heard new blood say "Wow ... this is soooo much better than MA!" in the CT over the last six months. What loses them is CT stagnation over the gaps in the set which gets things in a rut due to less diversity.

But hey ... you're welcome to your own theory `bout that. Lawd knows there's more than a few floating about. I support the CT and I'll do whatever it takes to make it better. If you think the ideas and goals I and quite a few dedicated CTers share about the potential .... as well of the future .... of the CT are unrealistic .... well that's your row to hoe, baby. *I* think it'll bring in fresh blood.

But don't try to tell me the MA needs anything and is actually lacking, when it fact it doesn't matter a hill of beans there if one historical nationality has a gap in it's planeset or not. No Russian bomber in MA? Fly a German one ... or British or Yank. No Ki-84? Fly a Lala. No B-24? Fly a B-17. No Wirblewind? Use an Ostie. No T-34? Up a Tiger.

Now ... technically that was a bit of a hijack.

Back to the regular scheduled program of "pining for more aaa trucks."

Edbert · « **Reply #38 on:** July 06, 2004, 07:25:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Grendel

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122159
You might wanna chime in on this thread

MOIL · « **Reply #39 on:** July 06, 2004, 07:39:49 PM »

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Originally posted by SEgunner
Wow looks like this thread went south in a hurry!

Gentlemen this thread was started for the so called "tread heads".
I myself like the GV option in the game. I also know the Ltars would respond because they are very good GV drivers and gunners. True the osti is already modeled and maybe adding a few more guns to the package would be great. Then our Wirlblewind would be born. All the guys who wish for certain planes have their time on the BBS. Whats wrong with us tread heads wishing for something? Not a darn thing!
See ya all in the MA.

BTW....... You Ltars are alright in my book even if you have a red icon.

Feel kinda bad that this simple question you had or what you'd like to see in the game had to turn into an "Arlo this & Arlo that" thread:(

I thank you for the kind comments reguarding LTAR to you.

I know we ALL have want's and wishes for planes & GV's for AH2 and I'm sure HTC takes this into consideration for the future of the game.
I just think it's a damn shame that a person can't come here to the BBS and make a request or ask for a dream plane/GV without someone like Arlo getting their panties in a bunch.

Again, sorry to see this thread go astray.
~~All~~

Karnak · « **Reply #40 on:** July 06, 2004, 08:07:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Pooh21
SEgunner the wirbelwind would rock because,
1,it would be fun to drive.
2.4x20mm mg151 dont gaurantee a 1 ping kill like, ostie,
3 numptys that fly straight at ack die anyway

Um, that would be true if the Wirbelwind carried four MG151/20s, but it doesn't. It was armed with four 20mm FlaK 38s, and FlaK 38s are far more lethal with a higher muzzle velocity than the Hispano Mk II.

The MG151/20 and even the excessively heavy Hispano Mk II were designed as aircraft weapons and that means that there had to be sacrifices to keep the weight down. There is much less concern with keeping the weight down when designing a ground vehicle mounted weapon.

Mauser MG151/20:
Metric calibre: 20 x 82
Projectile type/weight gm: HE/115
Muzzle velocity m/sec: 710
Muzzle energy joules: 29,000

Hispano Mk II 20mm HS404/804:
Metric calibre: 20 x 110
Projectile type/weight gm: HE/130
Muzzle velocity m/sec: 880
Muzzle energy joules: 50,300

Solothurn FlaK 30+38:
Metric calibre: 20 x 138b
Projectile type/weight gm: HE/119
Muzzle velocity m/sec: 900
Muzzle energy joules: 47,000

Gun data from : Rapid Fire, by Anthony Williams

Pooh21 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 06, 2004, 08:12:02 PM »

I got a model of the flakvierling 38 Im gonna finish one of these years and Im sure those are 151s?

the show it how to mount it on opel chassis on instructions?

Arlo · « **Reply #42 on:** July 06, 2004, 08:14:18 PM »

Geez, Karnie ... you wanting to get them even MORE hot and bothered? Now there'll be a new freakin' "Gimme Wirblewind!" thread every other day!

Karnak · « **Reply #43 on:** July 06, 2004, 08:21:12 PM »

Heh. I just posted technical specs.

Personally, I think we can do without the Wirbelwind. The Ostwind was the replacement and is more than lethal enough. Much more than enough. The one ping kills are very annoying, but at least they have more trouble hitting now.

I've been pretty noisy about the various units I do want to see so I won't blather about them here.

Heretic · « **Reply #44 on:** July 06, 2004, 08:23:43 PM »

Karnak,

Thank you for finding the historic specs on the Whirblewind. That had to be every Jabo flyers worst nightmare back in the day.
Well for that matter, any flyers worst nightmare.

Arlo,
I didn't think you highjacked my thread. I'm not offended or upset at all. Free speech and the internet go hand in hand. Glad you posted your views and opinions here. To be brutally honest with you I am far better in a GV than I am in a plane. I have lots of practice to get in before I can hold my own in most furballs or 1 VS 1. Really haven't been playing this game for very long. I think I started back in March or April. Still learning and practicing alot. AH1 shut down and now I'm trying to relearn all over again in AH2. I have never competed in the CT as of yet. I would think I would fail miserably untill I can learn better tactics and have a better SA.

Moil,
Any time bro! I have had my share of Ltar kills in all of the GV's you guys use. I have also been killed by Ltars many times. You guys are a great challange and my squad gets a kick out of besting you guys when we get the upper hand. When we get killed by your squad we usually have a few choice words. Normally " Aw crap I just got killed by a fU***** LTAR!" All in fun Moil. If it wasn't fun I wouldn't play anymore. See ya in the game!
Joe