Author Topic: AH2 Running on my PII 450mhz (Read 2177 times)

FT_Animal · « **Reply #45 on:** July 08, 2004, 01:34:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Hades55
Animal, human eye see with 24 fps.
Now if i make you see something with 70 fps i can use the other
36 fps to make you learn greeks, or vote whom ever i like without
you understand nothing, or to make you drink pepsi instead of coke
I also can make you s..k in AH
Its the Power of The Subconcius.

our life run @ 24 fps. Everything more is under investigation:cool:

Like I said, you explained nothing. Moreover you actually backed up a long known theory, which is the one *I* use.

Why would they base the human eye at 24 *fps*, unless they were comparing it to film?

If film\frames didn't exist would the human eye read speed still be calculated based on FPS? Didn't think of that did you?

More over you made my point more clear, anything over 24 FPS the human eye can't detect the difference. OH WOW, that just happens to be the same speed as a VCR.... wonder if that's just a coinincidence.....huh?

You know just enough to be dangerous and mouthy.

Your subliminal message attempt just tells me that what you can't see, you don't need. You can not detect or actually SEE long enough to register as sight, only to the brain. What use is something in a game you won't see? Anything over 25 fps is nice extra, which is there to ensure you don't drop below 24 in intense art situations.

Next time, put your tin foil hat on right so you get the right signals.

I'm not a BB board argue whimp, you ought to quit while you still think you're ahead.

I mean, what is this, your first BBQ>?
It's not mine, I've been doing this (sims) for 10+ yrs.
I've been in the entertainment biz for 25 yrs.
I was a video tech and event CM for AW3 for 2 years both in Kesmai and EA.com. I built and maintained, Animal's Toolbox, AW Tech Hangar, CAST (AW3 Game Staff for Kesmai and EA.com (gag)) and now AH Tech Hangar. Gamer Kit software, AH Sound Manager, .. and on and on......I know I have at least 1 clue.

and that's all the conversation I need to communicate with you. You don't deserve one more second of my time, and you're not going to get it. ;-)

~

Roscoroo · « **Reply #46 on:** July 08, 2004, 01:51:50 AM »

Passes Animal the bottle ... Here have a slug ...

WilldCrd · « **Reply #47 on:** July 08, 2004, 01:52:33 AM »

hey animal could ya email me? I have some questions about the sound manager on tech hanger.
My email is in my sig

Hades55 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 08, 2004, 02:46:10 AM »

Animal, you dont look very polite person, are you ?
BTW put your time together with your knowlege and roscoroos
bottle where you know and keep them there worm

I had not in mind to upset you or to be smart prettythang.
I wanted just to discuss on the fps subject without knowing your
knowlenge on the subject.
But you look very prettythang..le to think or care about that.

Overlag · « **Reply #49 on:** July 08, 2004, 04:38:15 AM »

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Originally posted by FT_Animal
Hold on guys, excuse me while I drop a few levels to communicate with this one.

No not ok. You're a moron. If I am wrong explain to me EXACTLY where I am wrong..... OK?

I have zero tolerance for people like you. All you say is

"you are wrong, VERY wrong ok?"

what do you know that I don't that backs this up? Can you explain to me where I am wrong or is it just an imaginary technical assumption in your own head. I'm not sure, all you say is I am wrong and offer no explination. If I am wrong please straighten me\us out. What is this the 3rd post where you say I am wrong yet offer nothing?

Explain away.

I will go so far as to say this, if you prove me wrong I'll eat crow , if you don't,.. then STFU. OK?

Don't bite my ankles and I won't gouge your eyes out. I'm not a punk, don't treat me like one.

Ok, now what were we talking about,.... oh ya,....

Anim

i love it when people see that old tvs use 24 fps, so that means thats all the human eye can see.

maybe on a a TV screen, but not a high res monitor without motion blur.... oh forget it, yes your eyes see 24fps only! you win.......

ok download this http://sdw.arsware.org/FPSCompare/

and tell me you cant see a difference between 24fps and 40 or 70....

to me it stops making a difference between 60 and 70 ie 60 is totaly smooth to me so 70 makes no difference

we've been through this arguement many times theres NEVER a real answer to the question. your asking me for facts, but WHY DONT YOU tell me some facts huh? oh a TV screen uses 24fps so thats all we can see....nice evidence!

and why did you have to bring this up in this thread anyway?

oh and i bet you've never SEEN high fps...thats why your telling me the whole human race cant

Wilbus · « **Reply #50 on:** July 08, 2004, 04:57:54 AM »

I really wouldn't count 11fps as workable and specially not playable, even 20 fps is on the limit of "playable" in my book, I may be spoiled though...

Blank · « **Reply #51 on:** July 08, 2004, 05:51:14 AM »

quite interesting read on fps and how the eye sees.

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

Nilsen · « **Reply #52 on:** July 08, 2004, 05:57:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Blank
quite interesting read on fps and how the eye sees.

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

Ive read it before and its very convincing.

Nilsen · « **Reply #53 on:** July 08, 2004, 06:21:00 AM »

If you dont hear from me in a while its because my puter may have melted.

Im gonna try to install AH2 on my laptop cause i havent tried it since the first beta

-edit- my graphics card did not support hardware T&L so i could not start it at all

dedalos · « **Reply #54 on:** July 08, 2004, 09:26:19 AM »

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Originally posted by FT_Animal
Would you like to place a bet on that?

Anim

lol, Nop. It is not that hard to shoot me down. Just fly around me in a circle until I hit the water.

An example from last night: A 47 is on a friendly. I am in a 51 and I drop in to help, alt about 1000ft. the bud guy does not see me. I get at about 400 and fire. Screen locks for a second or two. I pull up and get ready for second pass. Again at 400 I open fire. Screen locks. Pull up and repeat. After the 4th pass the friendly is dead and help has arived for the bad guy. What was going to be an easy kill turned into a pissed off friendly and almost a broken stick on my end. The same happened 10 minutes latter. I got a 190 ropped in a 38. As he was falling off the sky, I pull the triger at d400. Screen locks and I was lucky to pull up before hitting the water. This happened after playing for 30 minutes with no probs and did not happen again for a while.

I don't know what is causing it but when it happens, it takes the fun out of it.

Overlag · « **Reply #55 on:** July 08, 2004, 09:26:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Blank
quite interesting read on fps and how the eye sees.

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

thanks...i couldnt find that link

Overlag · « **Reply #56 on:** July 08, 2004, 09:38:54 AM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
lol, Nop. It is not that hard to shoot me down. Just fly around me in a circle until I hit the water.

An example from last night: A 47 is on a friendly. I am in a 51 and I drop in to help, alt about 1000ft. the bud guy does not see me. I get at about 400 and fire. Screen locks for a second or two. I pull up and get ready for second pass. Again at 400 I open fire. Screen locks. Pull up and repeat. After the 4th pass the friendly is dead and help has arived for the bad guy. What was going to be an easy kill turned into a pissed off friendly and almost a broken stick on my end. The same happened 10 minutes latter. I got a 190 ropped in a 38. As he was falling off the sky, I pull the triger at d400. Screen locks and I was lucky to pull up before hitting the water. This happened after playing for 30 minutes with no probs and did not happen again for a while.

I don't know what is causing it but when it happens, it takes the fun out of it.

reduce textures down to 256...since not all of them are 1024 theres no point to put up with all the stuttering for a few good ones........

dedalos · « **Reply #57 on:** July 08, 2004, 09:58:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
reduce textures down to 256...since not all of them are 1024 theres no point to put up with all the stuttering for a few good ones........

I am at 512. If I go lower I don't see hit sprites, I think. Anyway, I will give it a try.

FT_Animal · « **Reply #58 on:** July 08, 2004, 02:28:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag

i love it when people see that old tvs use 24 fps, so that means thats all the human eye can see.

maybe on a a TV screen, but not a high res monitor without motion blur.... oh forget it, yes your eyes see 24fps only! you win.......

ok download this http://sdw.arsware.org/FPSCompare/

and tell me you cant see a difference between 24fps and 40 or 70....

to me it stops making a difference between 60 and 70 ie 60 is totaly smooth to me so 70 makes no difference

we've been through this arguement many times theres NEVER a real answer to the question. your asking me for facts, but WHY DONT YOU tell me some facts huh? oh a TV screen uses 24fps so thats all we can see....nice evidence!

and why did you have to bring this up in this thread anyway?

oh and i bet you've never SEEN high fps...thats why your telling me the whole human race cant

oh and i bet you've never SEEN high fps...thats why your telling me the whole human race cant

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>h a TV screen uses 24fps so thats all we can see....nice evidence!

Not only do you not know what I am talking about, you don't know what you are talking about.

No that's not what I said, that's how you conciously chose to interprit it. You want evidence you yourself can not offer. I'll fill up this whole BB with evidence, you offer nothing.

Yes I am going to tell you that unless you had a metter telling you you had a 100 FPS. you could not tell the difference if it was 40 or 100 yes I am saying that. Pretty much like if you had your arm cut off you'd swear it was still there, you'd still feel like it's there, but it's not.

In a nut shell, all we are saying is, you don't NEED 120 FPS to fly the game and have fun. As long as you stay above 25 fps you'll have fun and THAT is the subject here, not what you two morphed it into. You don't understand what we are REALLY saying therefore in your mind we must be wrong because you just can't get what we are saying.

If you go around saying you can't fly the game unless you have 70FPS then you are missleading people to think they can't play and that is an injustice.

Anim

Grimm · « **Reply #59 on:** July 08, 2004, 02:48:19 PM »

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If you go around saying you can't fly the game unless you have 70FPS then you are missleading people to think they can't play and that is an injustice.

Anim

Amen Animal!

I would say 40fps average would be enough for good solid game play. Then you can be pretty sure even in a high graphical deman area, your still going to be around the mid 20s.

But, You can still fly with lower frames. Remember AW and Big PAC. The harbor area around Hawaii was a killer. People would just avoid that area, you learned to compensate.

Below 25 smothness goes away quickly, at 15 things look pretty choppy. Yet I personaly can still fly at 15 (if thats as bad as it gets).

Let me list average frame rates like this, and this is strickly my opinion

15-25 poor barely flyable
25-35 OK might have some frame hits in bad situations
35-50 Good, should be smooth all the time.
50-75 Great looks fantastic all the time.
75-100 You now can claim your the most manly with a super box.
100+ The gods wish they were as cool as you