Author Topic: stsll limiter (Read 1211 times)

X2Lee · « **on:** July 07, 2004, 08:39:29 PM »

I was under the impression that the stall limiter was turned of in the main arenas, now I see its set on 2?
So is this a concession to the relaxed realism gents who cant fly?
I thought we we getting a flight model but its just a damned dweeb setup? Some one correct me if Im wrong.

Ill keep my 180 bucks a year in my pocket if we are flying in the kindergarten arenas now....

Arlo · « **Reply #1 on:** July 07, 2004, 08:47:58 PM »

SL was always an option in AH. Why should it be different in AHII?

1: Players who use it apparently need it.

2: Players who use it are still dead meat.

X2Lee · « **Reply #2 on:** July 07, 2004, 08:50:12 PM »

2: Players who use it are still dead meat. [/B][/QUOTE]

nope, its set on 2 you are flying it at 2 even if its unchecked.

do you need it?
do you want it?

Arlo · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:29:09 PM »

Heh. Oh you mean the "stall limit angle of attack" enviromental arena setting!

That doesn't mean you're flying with stall limiter on even if you have it unchecked.

Questions:

1: What was the original default slAOA arena setting for the MA?

2: What does setting it to "2" actually represent? Is it actually "twice" the normal AOA or does it represent something else?

3: Does it even affect those flying without SL on?

I'm finding that my stall limiter is off.

Shane · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:03:28 PM »

i believe the AoA has always been set at 2.00...

i could be mistaken in my recollection, tho'...

fire off an email to HT/Skuzzy...

ATC · « **Reply #5 on:** July 08, 2004, 07:34:03 AM »

Make a training arena for this crap. The Main should not have any "relaxed Realisim" settings.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2004, 07:46:43 AM »

The only thing 'relaxed' around here seems to be you people's brains...

sling322 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2004, 07:57:21 AM »

Geez...the things folks will find to ***** about really amazes me.

Whats the difference between someone wanting to use this setting and someone using combat trim? Thier plane obviously won't handle as well as yours and you should eat them up no matter what. Its not that big a deal.

Edbert · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2004, 08:17:37 AM »

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Originally posted by ATC
Make a training arena for this crap. The Main should not have any "relaxed Realisim" settings.

I used to say that, and still agree largely with the thoughts but...

AH, and particularly the MA is rife with compromises to realism. The most glaring example would be in the department of engine management. we have only a throttle seting and a WEP key. Engine damage is not even modeled except for battle damage. In the "realism" department a pilot would have to constantly manage (and do it well if he wanted to get home) these types of things;

cowling flaps or radiators
air/fuel mixtures
prop pitch
prop rpm
engine rpm
manifold pressure
multiple power adders (German planes in particular)

Air traffic at bases is another glaring example, people land when/where/how they want, no concern with other planes in the pattern or on the tarmac. Many don't even consider the gamieness of a neon sign over your head that indicates not only the type of aircraft but the exact closure rates from 3+ MILES away.

I could probably be talked into having full engine management in the game. I could also be talked into a CT like icon system. The ATC thing would be annoying to say the least and you'd have to do a LOT of arguing to convince me we need that (and friendly collisions for those who ignore the ATC) in our game.

The point being this is a game, and it is a game that caters more to gamers than simmers (at least in the MA) although I'm sure that'll get me flamed. If you want to attract gamers you need to make it more like Quake (okay, so I am out of touch with the latest FPSers avvailable) and get the less experienced folks to the point where they can fly without crabbing along due to a rudder that is out of trim. I have no problem with the availability of these 'aids', since they offer the user no advantage. Just be glad we don't have 10K spawn points and KOTH type maps

Sikboy · « **Reply #9 on:** July 08, 2004, 09:10:58 AM »

I was thinking about this earlier today.

I have no problem with other people using the stall limiter. It's a crutch that takes them out of the fight, but allows them some time to acclimate to the arena.

But it's an option.

I was wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to work the perk system to account for certain game options. For example: If you fly with the Stall limiter on, your perk modifier goes down by X. If you fly with DOTDAR disabled, your perk modifier goes up by Y. If you fly with your GPS disabled, your perk modifier goes up by Z. If you fly with enemy Icons disabled... ect.

While I don't really care about perks all that much (my favorite planes are all free) it might add some reward for those who choose a more challenging mode.

-Sik

Pyro · « **Reply #10 on:** July 08, 2004, 10:40:24 AM »

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Originally posted by X2Lee
nope, its set on 2 you are flying it at 2 even if its unchecked.

So AH2 forces people to fly with the stall limiter on but you're the first person to notice this? Doesn't that sound a bit odd? Have you actually tried turning it on to see what it does?

thrila · « **Reply #11 on:** July 08, 2004, 10:53:51 AM »

x2lee , sorry but you are mistaken.

Try enabling the stall limiter and changing the number offline. See what happens. Try changing the number without stall limiter enabled- it'll have no effect.

People who fly with the stall limiter on are at serious disadvantage. The person that doesn't have it on will always outturn the guy who does.

ergRTC · « **Reply #12 on:** July 08, 2004, 11:20:52 AM »

yeah wow, what pyro said.

I think you morons should be forced to fly with stall limiter on for a couple days just demonstrate how much of a stupid waste of time this thread and your complaining has been.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2004, 11:30:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Pyro
So AH2 forces people to fly with the stall limiter on but you're the first person to notice this? Doesn't that sound a bit odd? Have you actually tried turning it on to see what it does?

What a neat idea. lmao

dedalos · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2004, 12:47:05 PM »

Mine is on. Come kill me, it should be easy. The fact that you are complaining about this shows your skill level. Its not about how hard you pull on the stick. Its about outfling/outsmarting your oponent. I killed spitVs in a turn fight with 51s and p40s. On the other hand, I had my arse handed to me in a spitV by Slapshot and others in 38s and 109s.

Whats the problem anyway? You don;t like easy kills?

Edit: Sudjestion for more reallism, since it seems to be a problem. Set up a 20mm gun on your screen and everytime you get a pilot wound, fire it at your head. It will make the experience more real for you and the BBS more quiet for us.