Author Topic: dive bombing (Read 597 times)

shaky1 · « **on:** July 10, 2004, 03:57:32 AM »

Dive bombing B-17s Lancs B-26s etc. just about all bombing now is done by diving into base most times right into deck to kill objects like the Carriers couldnt there be an alt. limit or a level flight limit to stop this?

Nilsen · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2004, 03:59:24 AM »

I miss the old bombing system alot. Used to love doing buff runs with that, but it wont return. Maybe it was to easy and accurate.

shaky1 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2004, 04:03:02 AM »

Hard not to be accurate when you are diving right onto object we need some kinda fix for this i think

Kweassa · « **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2004, 04:10:25 AM »

This is what ppl came up with, I think it's very good:

* bombs will be dropped only when in a bombardier's position(F6)

* bombs will not be dropped, when climb/decent guage is over +/- 500 ft.

* above applies to the following bombers - Boston3, Lancaster3, B-17, B-26

* above will apply to the Ju88A with its internal ordnance

* above will not apply to Ar234

shaky1 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2004, 04:29:35 AM »

I like it all but the 500 ft i think since these are high alt level bombers they should be used that way a 200ft or less off level flight would be better with the 500ft variance i think you could still dive into your target but i could be wrong i also think that they should have to drop from at least 3000ft

oboe · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2004, 07:50:26 AM »

I think you misinterpreted Kweassa there, Shaky - he's talking about the guage that shows rate of climb/decent; not the altimeter.

These level bomber restrictions sound reasonable to me.

Innominate · « **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2004, 08:38:17 AM »

It's a problem of gaming the game.

The most efficient way to bomb a base involves hitting the ground immediatly after your bombs hit, saving the long trip back to base.

Even with divebombing buffs 'fixed' it just means using stuff not bound to those rules. (A-20 anyone? 4000lbs of bombs...) If you're going to stop suicide buffs, you might as well do the jabos as well.

Perk the 500/1000lb bombs and the rockets.(Excepting the bomber class planes, excepting the a-20g) i.e. Loading 1000lb bombs turns your plane into a low-cost perk plane.
Reduce the hardness on structures.

Now the primary bombs used are smaller 250lb bombs. The light bombers now have a role in the MA(Free heavy bombs)

http://www.innomi.com/jabos.html
(the original idea, bit outdated now though)

Hades55 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2004, 10:41:29 AM »

Ju-88 in RL was also a dive bomber

Leayme · « **Reply #8 on:** July 10, 2004, 11:21:56 AM »

I could be wrong, but was not the B26 also a low level attack type aircraft in some configurations?

Otherwise why have 50 caliber nose guns? Dogfighting the enemy fighters? or for strafing ground targets, troops, vehicles

The B17 and Lancaster are the medium/high altitude bombers and I agree steps should be taken that cause theses bombers to be used as designed.

Ground attack/fighter bombers should not have thier ordnance perked since this was a normal configuration option. Make a Stuka a perk plane because it is carrying a 1800 Kilogram bomb?
What about the P47's and P38's and the host of other aircraft that have dual roles.

Address the Dive bombing level bombers and leave the rest of it alone.

JU88 was a dive bomber with external and internal loads I believe.

If a player wants to turn his fast and fairly maneuverable aircraft into a slow and sluggish one with heavy ordnance and increase his chances of being shot down or having to jettison his load because of enemy contact, I don't have a problem with it.

RTStuka · « **Reply #9 on:** July 10, 2004, 12:16:25 PM »

I miss the Bomb runs that used to happen in AH1. I can remember taking off from a base with 6 or 7 other guys all in bomber formations and making actuall high level runs on targets. What has changed to make people stop wanting to run these types of flights.

simshell · « **Reply #10 on:** July 10, 2004, 01:55:01 PM »

i tend to think its not the same people going from 10k to 1k doing this

due to the size of the town and the size of the airbase we now have new guys that dont care about the way these bombers were used so they just grab a lanc form go NOE and try to carpet the VH or town

iv been seeing this over and over

mechanic · « **Reply #11 on:** July 10, 2004, 02:49:18 PM »

two things must be done:

Firstly:

bring back the AH1 bombing model

Secondly and most importantly for bombing runs:

BRING BACK THE NIGHT TIME

anyone who plays with the gamma should be highlighted with pink aircraft and pretty pink pansies next to their icon for the next hour of daylight.

WilldCrd · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2004, 03:48:22 PM »

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bring back the AH1 bombing model

Whats different in AH2 in regards to the bombing model? I've seen crackerheads do the suicide dive bombing thing in AH1 with lancs

Raptor · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2004, 05:20:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Innominate
(A-20 anyone? 4000lbs of bombs...

does the a20 have a bombsight? no... it was meant for low level bombing...

Orig · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2004, 05:29:47 PM »

I agree with metavoss, people should only play how I want them to play, and everyone else should think the same way too. Shame on people for playing how THEY want to play, selfish ingrates.