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Offline Hortlund

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« on: July 10, 2004, 03:18:10 PM »
Now, this may come across as very un-PC. Nevertheless it is my honest opinion and I have enough experience working with them, both while being a superior to one or more, and while being a subordinate to one or more, to be sure of my position.

It is a generalization naturally, but I have yet to meet someone to beat the generalization.

Well, time to stop stalling, here it is.

Women are not good leaders.

I have never worked for a woman that had genuine leadership qualities, I have worked for several who had leadership skills fully on par with South American dictators...or for that matter, leadership skills fully on par with a rabbit. I have worked in groups with women several times, and every time it ended with a disaster. Worst case was in a group of 13 women and 3 men. Within days the women had formed three different fractions that fought eachother viciously while at the same time doing everything to recruit us guys into their fraction.

My experience with regards to working with women is that if there are 1-2 on a group of 5-10 it works ok-ish...you just have to avoid certain topics. If there are more than 2, they will create two fractions where 2 will freeze out 1 for whatever reason. If there are more than 4 they will form two OR MORE fractions and they will spend the majority of their time fighting eachother.

It works better if there are clear hierarchies, like a secretary-boss situation. But as soon as there are fluid hierarchies, like two lawyer-coworkers the scheming bastards begin.

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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2004, 03:25:58 PM »
Hortlund that statement is ignorant on so many levels..  

And just for you to ponder..


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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2004, 03:35:01 PM »
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or for that matter, leadership skills fully on par with a rabbit.


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while at the same time doing everything to recruit us guys into their fraction.


I wanna work where you work:D  I'm an equal opportuniy womanizer:cool:
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2004, 03:39:01 PM »
Grun, have you worked with women alot?

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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2004, 03:48:50 PM »
Yes, in school and work environments. Leadership skills are based on individual characteristics and learning and are not dependant on gender as much as you seem to think.

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2004, 03:53:51 PM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yes, in school ...


Yeah...

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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2004, 04:21:43 PM »
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Yeah...


Selective quoting underlines the weakness of your arguments...

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2004, 04:26:07 PM »
Well, dont hold back then grun...what work environments?
McDonalds?

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2004, 04:28:09 PM »
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Well, dont hold back then grun...what work environments?
McDonalds?


WTG on the personal attacks and ridiculing!  You have started them even before you lost the argument... Its good that you save us both the time...
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2004, 04:34:39 PM »
Gentlemen, gentlemen, can we focus?



I'd follow her leadership and orders anytime!
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2004, 04:34:52 PM »
Well, lets hear it grun.

I have worked alot with women, in several different types of work-environments like sales, law, management, economics, support. I have seen them in stress-environments and in more relaxed office-environments. I have had them as superiors and subordinates
and I have not once had a good experience (professionally) with any one of them. Like I said in my post they have an eerie talent for scheming BS. And they have an uncanny ability to create conflicts around them in a way I have never seen guys do. Naturally I have met guys who were *******s too, but that was on a completely different level.

You tell me what your experience is now please. You brought it up. School and what? And what kind of work in school did you do? School projects?

Come on now, lets hear where you have gotten your insights on this topic.

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2004, 04:51:35 PM »
Ignorant statement. Best supervisor I ever had was a woman.

Offline Kanth

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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2004, 05:02:27 PM »
you have a poor attitude, son.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2004, 05:05:04 PM »
A lot of times, the person causing the problems is the last one to recognise that fact, Hortland.

Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2004, 05:11:04 PM »
School projects of course. And  diverse high tech software, marketing, consulting, busniess and strategy development work environments...

Plus my major placed a strong emphasis in leadership and it is also a personal intrest of mine. I have read widely on the subject and written and analyzed more on it than probably anybody you know.. I intereact reguralrly with CEO/VP/Director level exectuvies and discuss leadership and business topics with them.

But I dont care to get in a pissing contests about this, no matter what any of us says you seem to be stuck in your perception. Maybe your company can bring in a consultant to help you deal with this situation...

Also one of the job offers I'm considering now is directly from a woman entepreneur and CEO. She is a fantastic leader from everything I know of her and her compmany..

So there, whats the point of anything I just wrote? Did it open up your mind at all?
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