Author Topic: Combat Trim? (Read 1356 times)

68DevilM · « **on:** July 10, 2004, 09:22:08 PM »

where the hell did it go?

been noticeing that its been more difficult to keep my a/c strait and level lately? did something get changed? if so please change it back...

sometimes you can make a game too hard and no one will want to play!:(

p.s. i can considerably notice it in the 262 model, and its getting really pathetic that i have to recalibrate my joystick 4-5 times a sortie because i keep thinking its my stick,, hell sometimes i have to recalibrate during a fight if i get the chance.....horible horible feeling:mad:

Hyrax81st · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2004, 09:35:44 PM »

The last I saw (yesterday) it was still Shift-C.

68DevilM · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2004, 09:42:19 PM »

right but it should be on auto still right im mean i barely toutch my stick and the nose is all over the place and ive messed with the deadband too

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2004, 09:43:12 PM »

Calibrate your stick in Windows and then calibrate it in AH.

ack-ack

J_A_B · « **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2004, 09:46:37 PM »

Actually I've noticed it too--combat trim isn't doing as good a job keeping a plane trimmed. Not sure about all the planes yet, but at least in the P-51 it definately doesn't stay as level as it used to. There's decidedly more pitch up now.

It is probably because of the detail changes to the flight model while the CT speed settings haven't been updated.

I still think of trim as a "nusiance realism" feature. Certainly its implementation in AH is arbitrary.

J_A_B

68DevilM · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2004, 09:49:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Calibrate your stick in Windows and then calibrate it in AH.

ack-ack

done it dozens of times already

68DevilM · « **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2004, 09:49:55 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
Actually I've noticed it too--combat trim isn't doing as good a job keeping a plane trimmed. Not sure about all the planes yet, but at least in the P-51 it definately doesn't stay as level as it used to. There's decidedly more pitch up now.

It is probably because of the detail changes to the flight model while the CT speed settings haven't been updated.

I still think of trim as a "nusiance realism" feature. Certainly its implementation in AH is arbitrary.

J_A_B

se se thats another plane...

a squadmate pointed it out the other day and i notice the pony too

MetaTron · « **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2004, 11:55:37 PM »

Never use the stuff. Trimming manually is so much more precise.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:34:07 AM »

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Originally posted by 68DevilM
se se thats another plane...

a squadmate pointed it out the other day and i notice the pony too

I recall beta 30 'ish there being major overalls to the combat trim for just about every plane including the P51. Seems to work fine for me except at extemely slow or fast speeds where i just turn it off and manually trim.

Ghosth · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2004, 07:38:38 AM »

tsk tsk tsk.

Learn to fly without it guys, its just holding you back from reaching your full potential.

Kweassa · « **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2004, 08:34:37 AM »

Combat trim can come in nifty if you use it right. For instance, from going into low-speed configuration to sudden power dives, you can quickly toggle the CT and then manual trim it from there.

Now, the problem with the CT as seen in AH2, at least how I perceive it, is that the CT has troubles when the speed of the plane is really high. Between 0~400mph it doesn't seem to be much off, but sometimes CT will fail to respond at very high speeds and I don't know why.

Clearly it is possible to trim the plane so the pitch doesn't rise, but CT won't just do it, and you have to do it manually.

68DevilM · « **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2004, 11:07:15 AM »

never have not tryed to use it, hmmm thought it would be too mush of a pain in the arssss.....

but heres one for ya guys,, how much play is in your joystick??

ive got about a quarter inch play in my joystick when its centered makes it a real ***** to line up anything when thiers no resistance sometimes....

longtech wingman forcefeedback

J_A_B · « **Reply #12 on:** July 11, 2004, 11:53:26 AM »

It has nothing to do with having to "learn" to not use it. I was here before CT even existed.

It has everything to do with not enjoying pressing buttons for the sake of pressing buttons. If you really want strict realism, most of our planes couldn't even trim all 3 axis in flight anyway.

J_A_B

Ghosth · « **Reply #13 on:** July 11, 2004, 12:41:31 PM »

68devil, set your deadband till you no longer get inputs in that "sloppy" zone.

Do it for both pitch & roll

If you have a twisty stick, set rudder even higher so you have to WANT to kick it in before it happens.

Golfer · « **Reply #14 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:07:56 PM »

When it comes to the 262 (I don't see much problem with the P-51) I keep a notch of flaps in at most times. I have adjusted my procedures to takeoff at max weight with 2 notches of flaps, rotate 150, gear up setup for a 200mph climb and pull out on notch of flaps. When in combat or maneuvering below 400, I keep a notch of flaps in, the power is there to overcome any adverse effect and it greatly adds to stability.

the manual trim isnt such a big deal now that i've added it to my throttle (Saitek X-45) but I just as soon deal with little extra pressure for an out of trim airplane. Lately I've been flying and giving dual in a Focke Wulf 149-D (Oshkosh and Sun 'n Fun Judges Choice) and doing some pretty hefty aerobatics I've just grown used to living with the airplane out of trim. Going from a 150kt cruise, diving to 180 and then a loop, point roll, immelman or split-s....your speed range can stretch from 200mph to less than 100mph.

But for a quick fix...just keep one notch of flaps in the 262. I dont notice anything as well defined as the nose-down tendencies of the jet with any propeller planes...looks like we just need to get used to the flight model and adapt.