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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2004, 06:23:10 PM »
Why do conservatives want to get government out of their lives until it can be used to suppress the life of a rival? Hypocritical nonsense. What do you care if 2 guys get married? Do you love your wife less?

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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2004, 06:26:17 PM »
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I thought you might be the product of a homosexual union.


and you a product of in-breeding

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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2004, 06:26:25 PM »
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What do you mean, leave it up to the church?  My wife and I were married completely a-religiously.  Are you suggesting that since we didn't go to a church or have church officials preside, we aren't married?


I think that's what you're hoping he said. Just as easy to say your church IS the state and leave it at that but, then again, that'll probably be taken just as offensively.

But if you wanna nitpick ... "marriage" has traditionally been considered a sacred union between husband and wife in both Western and Eastern cultures for a veeeeery long time now. If you want to get incensed over it, the people you need to take it up with became wormfood long ago.

Better to be thankful that the U.S. offers civil unions as an option, I would think, and not be easily offended at those who still see marriage as something that needs God's sanctification to have half a chance (Lord knows marriages struggle more than ever to keep intact nowdays be they conducted by pastor, priest or JP).

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« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2004, 06:26:55 PM »
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Why do conservatives want to get government out of their lives until it can be used to suppress the life of a rival? Hypocritical nonsense. What do you care if 2 guys get married? Do you love your wife less?


I care becuase it repulses me and it is an obomination.  No I dont love my wife any less but it is a seculare intrusion on my way of life.

Yes we are for less govt and less govt regulation......but when you have judges write the laws on behalf of the ACLU it is time for the fed to step in.   I dont see what's so hypocrytical about it.

A gay man has the same rights as me.....he can MARRY a woman....if a state wants to allow him a civil union with his "partner" than by all means let it be.

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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2004, 06:35:22 PM »
I am not for it, but the law is ABOUT maintaining the divided roles of Government.  The bench is legislating, and that is not their mandate.

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« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2004, 06:53:09 PM »
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and you a product of in-breeding

hehe it's sister responds for it.

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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2004, 07:02:46 PM »
What some people see as a decline in morality others see as social evolution. Regardless of which side you take, the fact that modern society is more jacked up than it has ever been is plainly evident and irrefuteable. This didn't happen overnight, either..it's been a slow and steady process over the years.

Well, now you know my take on the social evolution theory. In short: keep it in the closet. Our nation was a better place when everyone pretended this kind of freakish behavior didn't exist, or, at the very least, had the courage to call it what it is.

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« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2004, 07:16:36 PM »
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Why do conservatives want to get government out of their lives until it can be used to suppress the life of a rival? Hypocritical nonsense. What do you care if 2 guys get married? Do you love your wife less?


*sigh*

Look to scandanavia to see the result from blurring the lines.

63% of all children are born out of wedlock.  In scandanavia that may not be a problem ..... yet.  scandanavian countries combined have fewer citizens than the State of Florida but have very high minimum standards of living and very high per capita incomes.  They can for now offset the cost and mitigate the damage that those kids are likely to suffer.

It is proven that the best way to raise the next generation is in a stable environment with the child's biological mother and father.

Look at the dilema in Black America since The Johnson Administration's policy of rewarding illegitimate child birth.  It has destroyed the Black Family.

The children living below the poverty line in America has increased 144% since 1964.  What will occur when, as scandanavians exemplify people just say Fu*k it, why get married I mean we still care about each other.  Where is the obligation for a man to not be a tomcat as it were?  It will devastate the nation, we will have further governmental intrusion as the government then will be forced to excert pressure on biological fathers to help deferr the cost of child rearing through the courts.  How well are the dead beat dads programs working where you live.  In Florida they don't work very well at all.

I could care less what people do in the privacy of their own homes but allowing a selfish and vocal minority who's proclivities are abnormal and abhorrant to dictate nation policy is just plain wrong.  Moreso when it is being put into effect by activist judges who are not accountable to the will of the people.

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« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2004, 07:23:30 PM »
American Taliban.

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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2004, 07:34:27 PM »
Well, MZ, so far, I haven't seen anyone try and limit behavior, just the legal codification.  That, my freind is what the Taliban did.  So, in fact, the lobby for "gay marriage" is much closer to the Taliban than those who wish to preserve states rights.

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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2004, 07:50:49 PM »
You want to use the power of government to force others to comply with your fundamentalist religous beliefs.

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« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2004, 07:52:48 PM »
Reasons to Outlaw Gay Marriage:

1. It's an Abomination!! God told me so!

2. Kids do better with 2 parents of the opposite sex.

3. It's an Abomination!! God told me so!

4. We don't wanna be like the scandinavians.

5. It's an Abomination!! God told me so!

6. It makes my marriage cheaper.

7. It's an Abomination!! God told me so!

Now lets take these points one at a time...

1. So what?

2. So what? We gonna mandate 2 parent families too?

3. So what?

4. Last thing we need is that high scandinavian crime rate around here.

5. So what?

6. I think every divorce makes your marriage cheaper. Should we outlaw divorce too?

7. So what? Your God has no say in our laws... that's one of the cool things about America.

8. Oh wait.. no 8

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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2004, 07:55:06 PM »
So... the church basically wants ownership rights for the term, "marriage"?

Okay... whatever. Have it their way. Just make sure that the word "marriage" doesn't show up in any legal documents and we'll be fine. Call it "civil union" or some such. Just make it available to everyone regardless of sexual orientation.
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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2004, 08:39:19 PM »
How about because I dont want what I have with my wife to be equaled to what 2 men may have with each other.  

What's wrong w/ civil unions?

Why do you imediatly brush off somthing that might be associated with faith?

Sandman our laws are designed to keep govt. out of religion not religion out of govt.

what about the people that dont approve of a gay lifestyle....you just write them off as inbread rednecks?

How about the fact that I dont want a minority opinion deciding what is considered normal?

Do I not have the right to have marriage defined as being between a man and a woman?

You guys immediatly stick your heads in the sand as soon as something smacks of religion or being from a republican.

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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2004, 08:51:22 PM »
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How about because I dont want what I have with my wife to be equaled to what 2 men may have with each other.  


Legally, there should be no difference.

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What's wrong w/ civil unions?


Nothing. Should be open to all, hetero or otherwise

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Why do you imediatly brush off somthing that might be associated with faith?


Because I am a godless heathen.

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Sandman our laws are designed to keep govt. out of religion not religion out of govt.


Actually, the 1st Amendment works both ways.

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what about the people that dont approve of a gay lifestyle....you just write them off as inbread rednecks?


I never used the term, but what the hell... I like it. ;)

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How about the fact that I dont want a minority opinion deciding what is considered normal?


The Consitution was written to avoid tyranny by the majority.

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Do I not have the right to have marriage defined as being between a man and a woman?


Within your own home, sure. Knock yourself out.

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You guys immediatly stick your heads in the sand as soon as something smacks of religion or being from a republican.


Bush is Hitler? ;)
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