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« Reply #210 on: July 13, 2004, 10:15:24 PM »
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Misconceptions:

1. I wasn't a member of the 13th in AH1 or AH2.


Heya Voss, can you confirm deny the Valorian in WW2OL for me? Just put me out of my misery.

And as far I'm concerned this whole thing is just one of those "intardnet" experiences you guys need to get over, Voss cleared my 6 plenty in AH. Guess I'm kinda lucky being geographically isolated that my experiences are limited to your guys in game performance.

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« Reply #211 on: July 13, 2004, 10:51:49 PM »
Man, who needs soap operas or the National Inquirer--just read the AH bbs!

Awesome stuff,

Thanks Fester

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« Reply #212 on: July 13, 2004, 10:51:51 PM »
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Interesting post...kinda pointless with no proof isnt it? Lotta people takin sides of an unproven issue if ya ask me. When people accuse Fester of cheating isnt the classic Aces High response from fester to "post the film or S*F*"  Seems ironic that this post about fraud and deception comes without a shred of proof. Many people who read the boards dont have extensive history with this isssue. Bashing someone in this degree would surely require some evidence..at least as much as would be expected from calling someone a "cheater" on channel one. Im just sayin.....



Do a Google search for Paul Hinds and Voss and you'll get all the evidence you wish to look at.  You can also do a search for Voss and get pretty much the same stuff.


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« Reply #213 on: July 13, 2004, 10:53:25 PM »
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I have Voss phone number for when I was supposed to fly his brother in law's learjet:D

Who wants it? Starting bid $100:p



You can find that number in any truck stop bathroom stall.


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« Reply #214 on: July 13, 2004, 10:55:12 PM »
I couldn't help it. After reading this I phoned a gal I know who's gunna be a REAL Phd. a Psych. I had to tell her about this....she asked, and I cut and pasted all the places she could check out this dudes story.She figures it 's good enough for a paper, next semester.(someting along the lines of how the virtual world has made multiple pesonae more prevalent in RL,and even more accepted )......lol.wtg Voss.


I'll post it after she finishes it, it'll be a while tho.

I hope she makes it....i want some pills.
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« Reply #215 on: July 13, 2004, 10:55:52 PM »
MiniD's summary sounds correct. I remember a number (not all) of MiniD points and disagree with none (not involved with TAS, I also only watched it unravel on the BBS).



Who remembers 'bikeman' / 'onebike' ? Freely from memory impression of 'Onebikes' post:

When Voss was 'dying in cancer' (ca 1997) a bizarre post from a BBS newbie figure calling himself 'onebike' or 'bikeman' appeared. 'Onebike' was bewildered and confused about the allegations made against his friend 'Voss' (somehow apparently he'd found out about the BBS where 'Voss' was being discussed):

He had just visited his friend Paul 'Voss' Hinds at his deathbed.

At Voss's private mansion.

With one (or more) Warbirds parked outside.

Somber sad friends coming to visit (maybe some visiters had flown in in private warbirds).

The impression was the visitors were all succesful professionals from the intelligence community, military  or gaming industry coming to visit their old friend and colleague 'Voss'.

Tears being shed.

'Onebike' didn't dare suggest the preposterous idea that 'Voss' could be a fraud for fear of dropping dead from the contempteous cold stares (or fists) he would have then received from Voss's multiple loyal friends.


'Onebike' was immediately deemed another invented persona by Voss (and never heard from again).

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« Reply #216 on: July 13, 2004, 10:55:52 PM »
wow im in a voss thread cool!
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« Reply #217 on: July 13, 2004, 11:00:33 PM »
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I couldn't help it. After reading this I phoned a gal I know who's gunna be a REAL Phd. a Psych. I had to tell her about this....she asked, and I cut and pasted all the places she could check out this dudes story.She figures it 's good enough for a paper, next semester.(someting along the lines of how the virtual world has made multiple pesonae more prevalent in RL,and even more accepted )......lol.wtg Voss.


I'll post it after she finishes it, it'll be a while tho.

I hope she makes it....i want some pills.


tell her she can use my book cover picture for her paper cover page :)

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« Reply #218 on: July 13, 2004, 11:07:01 PM »
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I used to wish people would just drop this whole "Voss/TAS" thing, then Voss started posting on the subject and it became quite clear as to why that should never happen.



And here we are... watching Voss claim it is everyone else that has it wrong.  He didn't lie, he didn't defraud, he was not the villain people make him out to be.  There is some level of truth to that, as there was to almost every other lie voss told.  That's the truly sad thing about him: he believes that a part truth is not a lie.

MiniD




I was also around WB at the time  (Hiya Thun) .

Some squaddies sign up for TAS , none of them made any donations.  I had the paperwork but couldn't be bothered getting it signed and notarized etc


The main person burnt was Hobuss but ....if Robey and eagl had not blown the whistle  more people would have been burnt.

From memory he had mentioned donations.


By now you'd think he would have come up with a way of remembering which BBS handle he was using when he was posting - or maybe the multiple personalities don't communicate too well ... guess that figures
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« Reply #219 on: July 13, 2004, 11:13:35 PM »
Would anyone be suprised to find out Voss was MrBlack?


That would be a hoot!!

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« Reply #220 on: July 13, 2004, 11:13:42 PM »
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MiniD's summary sounds correct. I remember a number (not all) of MiniD points and disagree with none (not involved with TAS, I also only watched it unravel on the BBS).



Who remembers 'bikeman' / 'onebike' ? Freely from memory impression of 'Onebikes' post:

When Voss was 'dying in cancer' (ca 1997) a bizarre post from a BBS newbie figure calling himself 'onebike' or 'bikeman' appeared. 'Onebike' was bewildered and confused about the allegations made against his friend 'Voss' (somehow apparently he'd found out about the BBS where 'Voss' was being discussed):

He had just visited his friend Paul 'Voss' Hinds at his deathbed.

At Voss's private mansion.

With one (or more) Warbirds parked outside.

Somber sad friends coming to visit (maybe some visiters had flown in in private warbirds).

The impression was the visitors were all succesful professionals from the intelligence community, military  or gaming industry coming to visit their old friend and colleague 'Voss'.

Tears being shed.

'Onebike' didn't dare suggest the preposterous idea that 'Voss' could be a fraud for fear of dropping dead from the contempteous cold stares (or fists) he would have then received from Voss's multiple loyal friends.


'Onebike' was immediately deemed another invented persona by Voss (and never heard from again).



haha yeah I remember that  ,  by the end it was so embarrassing  to watch someone totally self-destruct like that and still keep making it worse, almost like John Cleese in Fawlty Towers.

 it's pretty funny stuff


Voss and Mr Black should get together over drinks  - the  12 of them could have a great time
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« Reply #221 on: July 13, 2004, 11:16:27 PM »
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tell her she can use my book cover picture for her paper cover page :)

 


Are u kidding I ain't telling her I KNOW all the psychos in this game, I just came across this....somewhere.  ;)







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« Reply #222 on: July 13, 2004, 11:18:43 PM »
airbumba

LOL that was funny!

Is she hot?   :D

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« Reply #223 on: July 13, 2004, 11:25:49 PM »
Thought I'd bring a snack...





This look interesting...

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« Reply #224 on: July 13, 2004, 11:26:15 PM »
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Who remembers 'bikeman' / 'onebike' ? Freely from memory impression of 'Onebikes' post:

When Voss was 'dying in cancer' (ca 1997) a bizarre post from a BBS newbie figure calling himself 'onebike' or 'bikeman' appeared. 'Onebike' was bewildered and confused about the allegations made against his friend 'Voss' (somehow apparently he'd found out about the BBS where 'Voss' was being discussed):

He had just visited his friend Paul 'Voss' Hinds at his deathbed.

At Voss's private mansion.

With one (or more) Warbirds parked outside.

Somber sad friends coming to visit (maybe some visiters had flown in in private warbirds).

The impression was the visitors were all succesful professionals from the intelligence community, military  or gaming industry coming to visit their old friend and colleague 'Voss'.

Tears being shed.

'Onebike' didn't dare suggest the preposterous idea that 'Voss' could be a fraud for fear of dropping dead from the contempteous cold stares (or fists) he would have then received from Voss's multiple loyal friends.


"I spent the night drinking beers with the guys visiting with Paul's family.
I took a lot of notes too. Paul is a legitimate hero whether you care to
accept it or not. The big burly guy I spoke of, "IronMan," was his wingman
in operations all over the world. From what everyone told me Paul was in
violation of security when he spoke with his partner, or Robey, or whoever
got the information first. I don't really know what he said or to who. It
doesn't matter.
  No one would tell me why Paul changed his name. Prior to 1992 there was
no 'Paul Hinds' and why he took that name no one would say. I know what his
family names are, now, and none one of them is 'Hinds' so maybe he had some
other reason. We may never know. He is still 'Paul' to me so I'll keep
refering to him by that name.
  I spoke to a guy who asked that I pass along a few tidbits, just to put
your minds to rest. This comes from the guy that created Medivac, and
Cooperative Ventures training. He was Paul's fathers' roommate in college,
was Paul's fathers' best man, and Paul's father was his best man. They both
served in Korea and Vietnam as Army officers. He knew Paul as a teenager
and then didn't see him again for years until he popped up in a cooperative
venture session as an F-16 jockey. Happy to see an old friend they got
together and talked shop. Finally, it was decided that Paul would leave his
Air Force position and become part of the cooperative ventures team. He
stayed in that position until the government called upon him for some other
duty. It was this duty that saw him shot down, and hurt. Something happened
there that no one wants to discuss.
  It really made Ironman upset to hear it all relayed again, so I have to
guess he was there or is sorry he wasn't.
  So, you may never find actual proof that 'Paul Hinds' was ever in the Air
Force. I submit however that it doesn't matter. Maybe he should have kept
his mouth shut who knows. I have found all the proof I need.
  You should all know as I didn't that this cannot be discussed further via
any electronic means. After the big blowup of Robey's I can't see you
getting the chance to talk with Paul but that's the only way we'll ever
know more.
  I think that's the end of this discussion for me.

  I will add though that all of these guys, legitimate military, stated
that any guy that claims he's speaking for the 'honor' of the military
personnel of the world, is full of ****. Most military *******s are scum or
bums. I don't believe the Paul I know fits either category.

John "OneMan" Birkes"

"This will be an abbreviated version of a very long day.
  I went to visit with Paul this morning. I couldn't get in to see him.
They're only letting family in so I made yet another visit to his home. To
my surprise there were tons of visitors packing every corner of the house.
There were a lot of warbirds  parked outside of his hangar. Some of them I
didn't recognize but most were WWII types I think. I felt very out of place
but Shelley's friend Kathy wouldn't let me leave. She grabbed my arm and
used me like a crutch to get back to the rec. room.
  I waited for about an hour while no one showed me any interest and then
went back outside. One really big guy was holding a wall up until I walked
out and then he stopped me and asked how I knew Paul. I told him. He told
me that Paul helped him hunt down his plane and then put him in touch with
someone that could do maintenance on it.
  I asked him how many of the people in the house he knew and he said
almost all of them. So, where did Paul meet them?
  "From the military. Cooperative ventures (?) most of them." Huh?
  So I related the entire story about the events of recent days. He looks
at me like I'm an idiot and says, "Christ!" He looked really mad and I was
getting scared. Finally I worked up the courage to ask him if Paul had been
in the Air Force. He looks at me with wet eyes and says, "You're not Air
Force so I know he didn't tell you that."
  Then there's a long pause.
  "His family has been flying since World War One. Someone in his family
was the number two ace from that war. He lived in Arkansas too. His
grandfather was a blacksheep after the real blacksheep were gone. Also from
Arkansas. Two or three members of his family flew in Vietnam. None of them
can compare to what he's done. None of them." That's nearly an exact quote.
  I was trying to think of a way out of there when he grabbed me and says,
"Have you ever noticed him shake when he gets excited? I mean his hands
really start to tremble. Like when there's nothing there to make him act
that way? It's adrenalin. Makes him shake something fierce. He can even be
smiling and real happy but he shakes like he's scared to death? Gee, I
wonder how come?"
  Then he escorts me back into the house and we all sat down and had beers
till there were no more of them. No one talked about the military. No one
talked about death or dying. When we heard about the Oklahoma case decision
nearly every one of them said, "Damn right!" and then moved into the
hangar.
  I bet they're all still there polishing the Mustang.
  So maybe I'm confused. Maybe he lied to you. Maybe not. I still don't
know for sure.
  For some reason he has a lot of very loyal friends.
  Until he gets well, or passes on, I don't think I want to ask anymore
questions. He deserves better. I believe that.

JOB"
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