The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book

[Octavius]

I think this thread and this thread alone can unite flight simmers everywhere, regardless of game or company allegiance.  I find it fascinating just reading over the thread and watching all the relatively 'ancient' names come out of the woodwork.

[Redd]

Originally posted by Avenger
"I spent the night drinking beers with the guys visiting with Paul's family.
I took a lot of notes too. Paul is a legitimate hero whether you care to
accept it or not. The big burly guy I

  I will add though that all of these guys, legitimate military, stated
that any guy that claims he's speaking for the 'honor' of the military
personnel of the world, is full of ****. Most military *******s are scum or
bums. I don't believe the Paul I know fits either category.

John "OneMan" Birkes"

According to Voss  "oneman" is the brother of a really good friend of his

another google snip  ( he must really hate google)

this is cracking me up all over again - very funny stuff in here


Re:Voss has survived cancer and is back at work

John,

  I don't recall corresponding with you on any of this. However, it is
obvious that you align yourself against me. Saddle up and come hunt me. I'll
enjoy eating your heart while I ping the crud out of your defenders.

  Desert Storm? You are referring to comments made to boaster an online
persona (and they were made by my partner). Yeah, I eat babies too. Come get
some. When Falcon 3 (egad I'll regret saying that) was big, I trashed a lot
of so called A.F. maggots. So what, a lot of 13yr. old dweebs can say the
same. Check the posts on the BBS. I NEVER posted anything about a military
career. Sure, there were things said elsewhere. So what? It only helped to
boaster the fear online. Get over it. You act like an inbred on a witch
hunt. Are you really stuck on yourself that bad?

  This thread went so far (in posts over a year ago) to suggest that I had
made comments about SR 71's and all manner of nonsense (T-38, etc.). Man,
the hemp must be flowing out there somewhere! LOL! At the time I thought
this was attributable to the numerous people using the name Voss. Anymore, I
think it was a collective of people just like you, sipping your drinks and
escalating the hatred. You must have no life.

  Peoples suggestions? I think you need to back the wagon up and regroup.
TAS was my intellectual property from the very beginning. I didn't see you
take any part in it, until the hate mongers latched on. So, your alignment
and feeling on this issue are well known. It isn't going to stop me from
making legitimate efforts in this area, so save your breath. I was asked how
I was handling certain details in TAS. I answered. Now I see my ideas
showing up in games. Hmm... wonder where the leak was? As I said, forgotten.
TAS is dead. Actually, it was finished over a year ago. Hobutt's lawyer
forbid its release. So, I'll have to raise money along another venue in
order to battle it out with him. I'll win.

  You see, I never released anyone from the NDA. But, forgotten. As long as
he doesn't rear his ugly head, no problem.

  My current partner is well of aware of, and in fact took part in, the TAS
debacle (as an unwilling participant). Stiff who? My last partner bailed
when I became ill. He never supported the project enough to see it to the
end. I require $35,000/yr just to survive. To survive and maintain an edge
on technology requires much more. Ask any software company out there if they
could produce on $11,000. Nope? Didn't think so. I spent $11,000 in software
easy. I bought eight computers, because the local University does not allow
their equipment to be used for commercial efforts. I paid for it, not my
partner. Our agreement was that he was the financier, not me. So this
arguement goes no where.

  Would you saddle up with a drunkard who nightly spits vile and hatred to
potential customers? Obviously you would, since it suits your personality.
He needed to go. Good riddance.

  As to the scorpion thing. If you think that wasn't real, I feel sorry for
you. I heard that a lot of people suggested that scorpions are not even in
Arkansas. Wrong. Check it out braniac. Yes, cancer patients undergo strains
upon their immune systems. All it took was a single stinger, from a scorpion
long dead, to nearly kill me. It didn't kill me, and I doubt your hatred
will penetrate deeply either.

  Nope, zero penetration.

  This only helps to provide evidence that you have tried to funnel every
event against me, rather then accept it as the natural flow of events. Man,
I bet you yell at cars in traffic too.

  John Birkes is the brother of a very good friend of mine. Yep, real and
all. I asked him to use the company computer (yes the one Hobutt supplied)
to keep up on things and to keep me informed (as I was obviously not going
to be around for awhile). John and I had our differences. He's gone now.
Suffer. Even suggesting that I round up verification for you would be
childish John, and I would expect more of someone in your position. I'm not
asking for trust. I'm not asking for money. I asked for everyone to come by
and check on our progress. I suggest you refrain from further tirades, or
you might miss out on something you would really like to see. Well, it's
obvious you don't care to see me succeed. I'll rub it in when I do.

  I have heard a lot of crud about so many issues surrounding this. It is so
much crap. My main detractor even suggested that I don't exist at all! Man,
you two have got it bad (and I use the term 'Man' loosely)! Well, Loser
Detractor has talked to everyone in the area he could reach (not realizing
that the area is small and that everyone would inform me) and still he
doubts I am even real. Nah, this message is the result of a cleverly written
virus present on your system alone. (Dweeb).

 Contrary to your snotty and single minded opinion, there are a lot of good
souls out there that do not suffer from your black heartedness. You have to
carry that burden, so keep it to yourself. Do it now. Further rants will
only make you look stupid.

  I still have the trust of my wing, my wife and family, my partner, and
many more people that have corresponded with me throughout my illness. To
them I say thank you. Their thoughts and prayers will, in the end, see this
thing through. Without their support I may very well have perished. I won't
let them down.

  Now, I'm too busy for this NG crud. You won't fnd my email address
attached, as I don't eat spam, I won't take the time to correspond with you,
and I don't need the three-hundred emails I was getting with TAS (daily).
You are not the only virtual pilot out there and really I don't care what
you think. When you die, and if I am as well (without having produced a
flight sim, game, or anything useful), you will have the last laugh.

  Until then shut up and sit down, stupid.

  I'm off to work. Once I'm back on WB look me up. Bring friends. You'll
need them.

Paul "Voss" Hinds

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Avenger
"I spent the night drinking beers with the guys visiting with Paul's family.
I took a lot of notes too. Paul is a legitimate hero whether you care to
accept it or not. The big burly guy I spoke of, "IronMan," was his wingman
in operations all over the world. From what everyone told me Paul was in
violation of security when he spoke with his partner, or Robey, or whoever
got the information first. I don't really know what he said or to who. It
doesn't matter.
  No one would tell me why Paul changed his name. Prior to 1992 there was
no 'Paul Hinds' and why he took that name no one would say. I know what his
family names are, now, and none one of them is 'Hinds' so maybe he had some
other reason. We may never know. He is still 'Paul' to me so I'll keep
refering to him by that name.
  I spoke to a guy who asked that I pass along a few tidbits, just to put
your minds to rest. This comes from the guy that created Medivac, and
Cooperative Ventures training. He was Paul's fathers' roommate in college,
was Paul's fathers' best man, and Paul's father was his best man. They both
served in Korea and Vietnam as Army officers. He knew Paul as a teenager
and then didn't see him again for years until he popped up in a cooperative
venture session as an F-16 jockey. Happy to see an old friend they got
together and talked shop. Finally, it was decided that Paul would leave his
Air Force position and become part of the cooperative ventures team. He
stayed in that position until the government called upon him for some other
duty. It was this duty that saw him shot down, and hurt. Something happened
there that no one wants to discuss.
  It really made Ironman upset to hear it all relayed again, so I have to
guess he was there or is sorry he wasn't.
  So, you may never find actual proof that 'Paul Hinds' was ever in the Air
Force. I submit however that it doesn't matter. Maybe he should have kept
his mouth shut who knows. I have found all the proof I need.
  You should all know as I didn't that this cannot be discussed further via
any electronic means. After the big blowup of Robey's I can't see you
getting the chance to talk with Paul but that's the only way we'll ever
know more.
  I think that's the end of this discussion for me.

  I will add though that all of these guys, legitimate military, stated
that any guy that claims he's speaking for the 'honor' of the military
personnel of the world, is full of ****. Most military *******s are scum or
bums. I don't believe the Paul I know fits either category.

John "OneMan" Birkes"

"This will be an abbreviated version of a very long day.
  I went to visit with Paul this morning. I couldn't get in to see him.
They're only letting family in so I made yet another visit to his home. To
my surprise there were tons of visitors packing every corner of the house.
There were a lot of warbirds  parked outside of his hangar. Some of them I
didn't recognize but most were WWII types I think. I felt very out of place
but Shelley's friend Kathy wouldn't let me leave. She grabbed my arm and
used me like a crutch to get back to the rec. room.
  I waited for about an hour while no one showed me any interest and then
went back outside. One really big guy was holding a wall up until I walked
out and then he stopped me and asked how I knew Paul. I told him. He told
me that Paul helped him hunt down his plane and then put him in touch with
someone that could do maintenance on it.
  I asked him how many of the people in the house he knew and he said
almost all of them. So, where did Paul meet them?
  "From the military. Cooperative ventures (?) most of them." Huh?
  So I related the entire story about the events of recent days. He looks
at me like I'm an idiot and says, "Christ!" He looked really mad and I was
getting scared. Finally I worked up the courage to ask him if Paul had been
in the Air Force. He looks at me with wet eyes and says, "You're not Air
Force so I know he didn't tell you that."
  Then there's a long pause.
  "His family has been flying since World War One. Someone in his family
was the number two ace from that war. He lived in Arkansas too. His
grandfather was a blacksheep after the real blacksheep were gone. Also from
Arkansas. Two or three members of his family flew in Vietnam. None of them
can compare to what he's done. None of them." That's nearly an exact quote.
  I was trying to think of a way out of there when he grabbed me and says,
"Have you ever noticed him shake when he gets excited? I mean his hands
really start to tremble. Like when there's nothing there to make him act
that way? It's adrenalin. Makes him shake something fierce. He can even be
smiling and real happy but he shakes like he's scared to death? Gee, I
wonder how come?"
  Then he escorts me back into the house and we all sat down and had beers
till there were no more of them. No one talked about the military. No one
talked about death or dying. When we heard about the Oklahoma case decision
nearly every one of them said, "Damn right!" and then moved into the
hangar.
  I bet they're all still there polishing the Mustang.
  So maybe I'm confused. Maybe he lied to you. Maybe not. I still don't
know for sure.
  For some reason he has a lot of very loyal friends.
  Until he gets well, or passes on, I don't think I want to ask anymore
questions. He deserves better. I believe that.

JOB"

LOL!!!!! and isn't it IRONIC that a ONE post NEWBIE just happened to re-post this?

LOL Voss, you take the cake.

[NUKE]

Voss is the internet loser of the last century and is working on the new century.

[Avenger]

"No TAS is not about to hit the streets. Just an UNOFFICIAL update.

Most are aware of *reports* that Paul Hinds is ill with brain cancer.
What most don't know is Paul Hinds is taking a great deal of "heat" from
folks like me that challenge his credentials and his credibility.

This challenge to Paul's "bona fides" has spread over the TAS Beta team
and over at Argo's "alt.games.warbirds" BBS (it's actually web page).
Some folks have called me a... uh well you can imagine what they called
me. Heretic comes to mind, but that wasn't their choice of words. As a
side-effect of this **** storm, Mike "Pagan" Hobuss has been forced to
make the TAS BBS a read only Forum. And all offensive posts have been
removed.

For those not in the loop, here is a short version.

Paul's Claims:

1) Went to the US Air Force Academy
2) Flew F-16s
3) Shotdown 2 (not just one) Iraqis
4) Was wounded when shot down by AAA fire
5) Owns a P-51
6) Has 3 PhDs (Astro, Aero, and Electro Engineering I think)

So early in May I got a "heads up" warning from a WB player (real life
USN Hornet Pilot) suggesting that Paul might be a pretender. This WBer
suggested I verify Paul's claims. This Hornet Driver included some wild
claims for me to check. I did attempt to verify the items I found
questionable to me as a former F-16 pilot.

So here is my position:

1) My beef with Paul Hinds IS ONLY about his claims dealing with
attending the USAFA, flying F-16s, shooting down two Iraqis, and being
shotdown himself. No offense intended...this may not be a big deal
to non-fighter pilots. This is a very big deal to real fighter pilots.

2) His veracity WRT having three PhDs and owning his own P-51 are NOT
issues with me. Are they true? Don't know, don't care.

3) The only claim Paul made to me was that he also flew F-16s. The other
claims he made to his partner Mike Hobuss, and to other folks. How do I
know that? Another ex-AF type in the Beta is also a free-lance computer
gaming magazine writer. Both Paul and Mike mentioned Paul's Iraqi kills
during an interview (will not appear in the interview).

4) I got a "heads up" warning from another real deal military aviator
(Hornet pilot), who had been warned by a Army guy that supposedly has
known Paul for years. So I started checking with my F-16 buds and USAFA
Grads.

I have no "beef" with Mike Hobuss. The resources I used were fellow F-16
pilots, USAFA Grads (I'm not one), "eagl" from WB who is a F-15E pilot
over in the sand box right now, an organization of real life fighter
pilots (Red River Valley Fighter Pilots Association) and a current F-16
Sqdn Commander (LTC Phil Ruhlman) who flew combat over Iraq.

Bottom Line?

I claim that Paul Hinds DID NOT go to the USAFA from 1977-79 as he
claimed. I claim that Paul Hinds NEVER flew F-16s. I claim that Paul
Hinds NEVER flew in combat, NEVER shot down anybody, and NEVER took
battle damage from AAA much less get shot down by it.

Robey (Major USAFRes)
Former Viper Pilot"

Im not voss. I hate his guts. Im just making sure no one revises any history. Anyone have a place I can post some pics?

[Avenger]

And skywolf wherever you are you rocked.

"On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:06:34 -0600, "Voss"
wrote:

why make the spam stand up?

>

And cause it would suck to prove yet again, that he was right.


>
>John,
>
>  I don't recall corresponding with you on any of this. However, it is
>obvious that you align yourself against me. Saddle up and come hunt me. I'll
>enjoy eating your heart while I ping the crud out of your defenders.

Eat this... it's a big pile of the bull**** you served up LAST time.

> . So what? It only helped to
>boaster the fear online.


Nobody ever gave a **** about you online Paul.


> Get over it. You act like an inbred on a witch
>hunt. Are you really stuck on yourself that bad?

Voss = Pot = black kettle.

>
>  This thread went so far (in posts over a year ago) to suggest that I had
>made comments about SR 71's and all manner of nonsense (T-38, etc.). Man,
>the hemp must be flowing out there somewhere! LOL! At the time I thought
>this was attributable to the numerous people using the name Voss. Anymore, I
>think it was a collective of people just like you, sipping your drinks and
>escalating the hatred. You must have no life.


He seems a lot busier than you dude.


>TAS was my intellectual property from the very beginning.

4  .jpgs and a load of crap does not intellectual property make. And
the part about landing the plane, stealing a jeep, zipping into town
and spending the night fornicating with a hooker or two was MY idea.


> I didn't see you
>take any part in it, until the hate mongers latched on. So, your alignment
>and feeling on this issue are well known.

Yeah well...... I was one of your staunchest supporters from the
beginning..... so tell me, what's MY motive?


> It isn't going to stop me from
>making legitimate efforts in this area, so save your breath. I was asked how
>I was handling certain details in TAS. I answered. Now I see my ideas
>showing up in games. >? Hmm... wonder where the leak was?

Your dual purpose masticating anus.


> As I said, forgotten.
>TAS is dead.

when did it live?


> Actually, it was finished over a year ago. Hobutt's lawyer
>forbid its release. So, I'll have to raise money along another venue in
>order to battle it out with him. I'll win.

Yeah, that's a *****. His lawyer also forbade me from releasing my
game, the Pamela Anderson boob grab game. It was killer.....really.

>
>  You see, I never released anyone from the NDA. But, forgotten. As long as
>he doesn't rear his ugly head, no problem.

Hahahahahahaha.....


>
>  My current partner is well of aware of, and in fact took part in, the TAS
>debacle (as an unwilling participant).

A bent over participant.

> Stiff who?


exactly.


> My last partner bailed
>when I became ill. He never supported the project enough to see it to the
>end. I require $35,000/yr just to survive. To survive and maintain an edge
>on technology requires much more. Ask any software company out there if they
>could produce on $11,000. Nope? Didn't think so. I spent $11,000 in software
>easy. I bought eight computers, because the local University does not allow
>their equipment to be used for commercial efforts. I paid for it, not my
>partner. Our agreement was that he was the financier, not me. So this
>arguement goes no where.

I'm pretty sure  it goes somewhere. Or maybe it just comes outta
somewhere........

>
>  Would you saddle up with a drunkard who nightly spits vile and hatred to
>potential customers? Obviously you would, since it suits your personality.
>He needed to go. Good riddance.

what's this brown stuff all over my shoes?

>
>  As to the scorpion thing. If you think that wasn't real, I feel sorry for
>you. I heard that a lot of people suggested that scorpions are not even in
>Arkansas. Wrong. Check it out braniac.

I was bitten by a Gemini once. I told her.. NO MORE TEETH.


> Yes, cancer patients undergo strains
>upon their immune systems.

Actually... it's the Chemo.

> All it took was a single stinger, from a scorpion
>long dead, to nearly kill me. It didn't kill me,

I once, out west,  had a burro sneeze on me through my car window .
Now THAT almost killed me.

> and I doubt your hatred
>will penetrate deeply either.
>

Holy dung pile BATMAN.... now that brown stuff is up to my waist.

>  Nope, zero penetration.

said Voss' wife.

>
>  This only helps to provide evidence that you have tried to funnel every
>event against me, rather then accept it as the natural flow of events.

Flow WOULD be the optimal word here. Lots of FLOW.


> Man,
>I bet you yell at cars in traffic too.

Only when some dick on a car phone is driving like a scorpion just bit
him and made him fail to deliver on a butt load of promises.

>
>  John Birkes is the brother of a very good friend of mine. Yep, real and
>all. I asked him to use the company computer (yes the one Hobutt supplied)
>to keep up on things and to keep me informed (as I was obviously not going
>to be around for awhile). John and I had our differences. He's gone now.
>Suffer. Even suggesting that I round up verification for you would be
>childish

And of course, impossible.....but that doesn't sound as good.


>John, and I would expect more of someone in your position. I'm not
>asking for trust. I'm not asking for money. I asked for everyone to come by
>and check on our progress.

Oh... I will. I need more screens shots of non existant product.

> I suggest you refrain from further tirades, or
>you might miss out on something you would really like to see. Well, it's
>obvious you don't care to see me succeed. I'll rub it in when I do.

I think you need to do a lot less "rubbing".


>
>  I have heard a lot of crud about so many issues surrounding this. It is so
>much crap. My main detractor even suggested that I don't exist at all! Man,
>you two have got it bad (and I use the term 'Man' loosely)! Well, Loser
>Detractor has talked to everyone in the area he could reach (not realizing
>that the area is small and that everyone would inform me) and still he
>doubts I am even real. Nah, this message is the result of a cleverly written
>virus present on your system alone. (Dweeb).


No... we know you exist. Well.......sort of. It IS amazing how much
time you spend addressing the issues YOU BRING UP.


>
> Contrary to your snotty and single minded opinion, there are a lot of good
>souls out there that do not suffer from your black heartedness.

that's because they don't know you.

> You have to
>carry that burden,

Hand me some... I'd rather carry his burden than scrape yours off the
bottom of my squealing shoes.

> so keep it to yourself. Do it now. Further rants will
>only make you look stupid.

wanna bet?


>
>  I still have the trust of my sheep, my  wing, my wife and family, my partner, and
>many more people that have corresponded with me throughout my illness. To
>them I say thank you. Their thoughts and prayers will, in the end, see this
>thing through. Without their support I may very well have perished.

Oh..... so it's THEIR fault.

> I won't
>let them down.

I KNEW IT!
I  KNEW all those people who died of cancer just didn't try hard
enough. *******. If my grandma wasn't dead I'd kick her bellybutton for being
such a wuss. Thanks for clearing that up Paulo.


>
>  Now, I'm too busy for this NG crud. You won't fnd my email address
>attached,

Oh THERE'S a big surprise.


>as I don't eat spam, I won't take the time to correspond with you,
>and I don't need the three-hundred emails I was getting with TAS (daily).
>You are not the only virtual pilot out there and really I don't care what
>you think. When you die, and if I am as well (without having produced a
>flight sim, game, or anything useful), you will have the last laugh.

Uh oh.... I ALREADY laughed.  You have to die now.

>
>  Until then shut up and sit down, stupid.

Make me you big flight sim meanie. I'm still waiting for those
pictures of you in your P51. You know.. the REAL one that you fly when
you are not saving the world from the Iraqi menace.

>
>  I'm off to work. Once I'm back on WB look me up. Bring friends. You'll
>need them.

He CAN. He HAS friends.

>
>Paul "Voss" Hinds
>
>

Never did I think you'd have the balls to try this again.

Love,

Mac
SkyWolf's Lair  WWII Combat Aircraft Image Archive
http://www.skywolf.com
SkyWolf@skywolf.com
ICQ# 2750452"

[Octavius]

Originally posted by NUKE
LOL!!!!! and isn't it IRONIC that a ONE post NEWBIE just happened to re-post this?

LOL Voss, you take the cake.

I think you missed the bus on that one

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Octavius
I think you missed the bus on that one

well, hey....I missed a lot of buses....but there's always another arriving in a few minutes

[DrDea]

Originally posted by lazs2
yep... the whole saga is just so over the top unbelievable that you can't help but despise the man in his total dishonesty...

since he is not the least repentant then I would say that a sqaud that embraces and defends him is pretty strange and comprised of pretty strange folk.

I have talked to 13th guys and when they found out about voss they were disgusted and repeled.   A normal reaction... none of them would knowingly have anything to do with an unrepentant voss in my opinion from talking to them.

lazs

  I cant believe Im behind Laz in this but there it is.The whole silence from HT on this and the general discussion just says it all to those that dont get it.Voss is ostricised everytime he pokes his scumbag head up.Were obligated to wack it so others dont fall for the same thing that past VICTIMS fell for.I think the HT stance on this is clear.Never forget,never forgive.  FU voss.

[Capt. Pork]

This is ridiculous.

I think it's time for people to start proving they aren't Voss. Seems like an easier task.

[Octavius]

are you kidding?  This is great.  I think I'm going to start selling Voss Thread t-shirts and mugs.

[DrDea]

Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Somebody fill me in here. I think it is pertinent to this thread, and for the sake of the Hornets (and everyone's opinion of them).

How do we KNOW that Voss=Metatron?

Because if it is not proven we could be slandering a player unjustly. If it is proven, then as Lazs said...the ball is in the Hornet's court.

  This piece of crap NEVER said he wasnt.He knows better.

[DrDea]

Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
whatever guys, this thread is childish

and it seems it never stops.

  And with any justice in the world it never will.How would YOU feel investing major$ into Vosses Vaporware?And being screwed.I think you would be in on the 6 month Voss shuffle.

[GtoRA2]

The only way this thread could get better is if Mrblack showed up and started making sniper clames, and then Metavoss could argue with him and all their other IDs could chip in, it would be fantastic!!

[GtoRA2]

Did Voss ever post badly photoshopped Government  forms to show he was a f16 pilot?