The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book

[lazs2]

sirloin... I did not have it removed or covered up with something worse.   I do not espouse SS ideals tho and have  admitted that I was a biggot.   I have also said that it was not a logical way to think and have since realized that and find biggotry an illogical way to think much less act..

Now.... voss, on the other hand...  accepts no wrongdoing on his part and will not even admit to being a pathalogical liar.

the "potatonets" seem quite comfortable in having him around so long as he destroys cartoon objects so that they can earn the "respect" they deserve for being no.1 cartoon killers in a game where most people aren't even don't care and don't participate in that aspect.  

Even taking into acoount that rip can't help himself and that the rest of you are foreigners easily taken in by any American devil....

It is out in the open now so... the ball is in your court.

potatonets.... plain and simple.

lazs

[CyranoAH]

nor 600 for that matter!

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Trell
Who cares about a prision sentance for a case like voss, If i was dumb enough to lose alot of money to him, I would take it to court or report it to the polce just for it to be put onto his record,  If it is not important enough to even file any sort of paper work,  then i consiter
that either he did nothin criminaly wrong, or as about as important as a child stealing a pack of gum

#1 reporting it to the police would accomplish nothing. It`s not their department, it`s white collar crime.
#2 As has been stated before, usualy there is no assets to recoup from someone like this. A judgement is all you would get. It would be useless.
 #3 The cost involved in attorney fees, etc would be quite a large sum. In other words the victims would lose again with no positive results.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Trell
Who cares about a prision sentance for a case like voss, If i was dumb enough to lose alot of money to him, I would take it to court or report it to the polce just for it to be put onto his record...

The link has resources and directions regarding where to file a complaint against individuals for unfair business practices...but hey, it's only money, right?

I wasn't one of the ones who got conned,  but I'd be filing something, somewhere, to keep someone else from getting fleeced if I were.

[Trell]

Originally posted by Jackal1
#1 reporting it to the police would accomplish nothing. It`s not their department, it`s white collar crime.
#2 As has been stated before, usualy there is no assets to recoup from someone like this. A judgement is all you would get. It would be useless.
 #3 The cost involved in attorney fees, etc would be quite a large sum. In other words the victims would lose again with no positive results.

Then this shows that it was not important enough for you to do anything, or you did not have any evadence to prove your claim.  

that means that these claims every one has made against voss has as much credit as me walking up to some total stranger in the streat and screem "you stole my money"

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Trell
Then this shows that it was not important enough for you to do anything, or you did not have any evadence to prove your claim.  

that means that these claims every one has made against voss has as much credit as me walking up to some total stranger in the streat and screem "you stole my money"

  No, what it shows is common logic. It would only be "you" that lost again. It will not add up anyway you look at it.

 Have you ever been stung like this?
Have you ever got stuck with a lemon from GM , Ford, etc and weighed the costs of attorney fees to recoup against the loss you allready have invested and decided to take the loss?
  Have you ever gotten a bill from a utility company that`s was incorrect and was not your charges and in the end paid the bill because it was less hassle and less expensive than persuing the options?
  Have you ever booked a flight with a prominent airlines only to arrive at the terminal and find you are not listed on the passenger list?
  If none of these has ever happened to you , then you must be very, very young. Either that or I want to know how you are getting the internet service from deep within the amazon jungle.

[leitwolf]

if we were able to include the GoonMAW incident in this thread we would have a very well balanced community primer here.

...and...
IN  

[lazs2]

the potatonets would take gunman 26, or as he latter called himself, gunman 42 (thats gunman 26 times two for you math challenged) if they thought it would get em a few more points in the rank.

lazs

[WilldCrd]

Why doesn`t HT ban him permantly?"?

hmm the old saying "keep your freinds close and your enemy's closer" comes to mind

so does "knowledge is power"

ect ect ect

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by lazs2
the potatonets would take gunman 26, or as he latter called himself, gunman 42 (thats gunman 26 times two for you math challenged) if they thought it would get em a few more points in the rank.

lazs

Good one lazs.  For future reference, 26 X 2 = 52

[flyingaround]

Originally posted by SLO
we suppose to give a watermelon what some BBS nutcases think.....
sorry we can't go so damn low....know what I mean:)

  If the Hornets care not about "honor" or "respect" then of course you won't care.  The case against metavoss is crystal clear.  Any squad with the slightest whiff of integrity would have booted metavoss out immediatly upon discovering his past.  The Hornets can of course fly with who they choose, BUT it does speak volumes about your squads character.

Of all the properties which belong to honorable men, not one is so highly prized as that of character.
--Henry Clay

No man who is corrupt, no man who condones corruption in others, can possibly do his duty by the community
--Theodore Roosevelt

Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud.
--Sophocles

All honor's wounds are self-inflicted.  
--Andrew Carnegie

Laws control the lesser man. Right conduct controls the greater one.
--Chinese Proverb

He that is good, will infallibly become better, and he that is bad, will as certainly become worse; for vice, virtue and time are three things that never stand still.  
--Charles Caleb Colton

The reality is, if we tell the truth, we only have to tell the truth once. If you lie, you have to keep lying forever.
--Rabbi Wayne Dosick

Man's character is his fate.
--Heraclitus

Integrity is the core of our character.
--L. Lionel Kendrick

[Drifter1234]

Hey Fester,

On your next map make a secret Island for Voss and all the mini-vosses.  They can be like the legion of doom.  Sorta a place for all the rogue elements and their sympathizers.  They can come up with superhero names like metatron or something.  Can be them against the rest of the map.


Just a thought

[Staga]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Good one lazs.  For future reference, 26 X 2 = 52

swooosh...  sound of irony just flew past your head  

[Westy]

Just to reenforce what Jackal1 is saying I'll tell about my one bad personal experience from a deal online but it involves a different, but just as scummy!, conman.

 Several people, including myself, were ripped off by a conman back when I was playing AW in 1997-98.    I was naive and I trusted this guy Ken Strohm (aka KenJR) who at the time was a community leader and real all around well-liked guy. He'd just formed a PC building business partnership with the lead trainer for AW and was to be the supplier of  PC's for the AW 1998 convention.  IMO, if people close to Kesmai and the AW Convention group themselves were doing business with him then I figured why not me?  When he would post systems on the nntp newsgroup  to inquires by people as to where to buy a 'puter he would post systems that sounded great. He promised "great" deals for his AW buds too. It sounded perfect!

 I did some checking by emailing with several people about him and recieved nothing alerting back so I felt safe and bought a PC from him.

 To make a long story short the PC I got was was NOT what was ordered and was clearly inferior.  I eventually found out he didn't build itt but had the local PC sweat shop in town (Florida) make it.  I called and emailed him to discuss the problems but he would not answer my emails and his phone (turned out to be a cellphone) stopped working. So after a few weeks went by I called his business partner, a handicapped veteran, and after talking with him (he had no invoice of a PC ever sold to me even though I had one with thier letter head on it)  I found out where my PC originated from. And that sadly he could not honor any warranty on it but would help me any other way he could. I also found out that his partnership with Strohm had terminated in the past week because he found out Strohm had been defrauding him too. He also screwed over the 98 AW con people also and several other minor people and businesses. So it was a pretty widespread thing.

 So what to do?  I couldn't get a refund.  I couldn't negotiate or deal with him to upgrade the PC to include the right perpherals that should have been in there. Call the police?  Sue him?  
 Nope. All of that would have cost more than the $1900 I'd spent for a substandard PC.  Instead I, as I imagine many scammed by Voss did, get my pound of flesh by bringing his name up every now and then & ostracising him. Alerting anyone who shows an interest in buying something from him that he'll rip them off.  KenJR is still out there in the WWII flightsim community afaik.  In FA I think.  But over the past 6 years I know I cost him far more business than he ever made off of me. And that serves as my justice.

[midnight Target]

I'm just wondering how a guy can possibly earn 3 phd's while spending 5+ hours a day on a game.

Amazing!!!!