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LOL, funny how we're getting worked up over who's right and who's wrong. This fight has gotten more about proving who's right and one-upmanship in the insult game rather than the ACTUAL facts. From what I've read here:
Here are the sides......
Pro-Voss: Slo and the other Hornet's that have posted here seem to be saying that they'll need actual proof rather than heresay evidence in order to show their fellow squaddie the exit door. Are Slo and the others being manipulated by Voss/Metatron/whatever? Could be, maybe not. But excuse them for showing loyalty to a squaddie. Remember, they want proof, not rumors and inuendo. Have a statement from an individual that claims he was defrauded? Really, how much? If so , why not go to small claims court (what, a $6.00 filing fee)? Wouldn't that be reward alone to atleast have the case heard. Think of the witnesses (at least of those that state of being defrauded) or the affidavites that could be presented to a judge. there are two sides to any story with hardly 100% accuracy from both sides. Usually some bias going on. If some lost money in a 'scam', they didn't investigate further the people and company involved?
Anti-Voss: How can anyone associate themselves with such a pathological lying conman! Why the stuuf I've read is more than enough to convince me that he's guilty as sin. Why anyone would take the time to actually associate themselves with Voss has got to be insane/stupid/gullible/in cahoots with him. We must get rid of that lowlife Voss out of our game!
(I could go on and on the antiVoss samples but will stop here-LOL)
What I think and ACTUALLY KNOW AS FACT may or may not be two different things. From the samples provided by others in their personal dealings with Voss (as well as my own with him) I'd say he's a pathological liar - just a hunch, mind you.
If what was written about him was 100% true, then of coarse, he's a conman as well. Who here has actually given money to Voss? Step forward. State your case. Sorry, but a "I know someone who said he was ripped off by Voss, see? Here's the internet write-up!" just doesn't cut it as evidence or fact.
Now having said that, does it mean that Voss didn't defraud others of money? No, he could very well have. Fact is WE REALLY DON'T KNOW! We're GUESSING.
I lean into the "Voss' is guilty" crowd, but don't know for a fact.
In any case, I'd never loan, give, invest in anything to anyone unless I was willing to lose it. It is a risk, after all.
I think where some of the Hornet's made an error was the mudslinging back at the accusers. Had they kept their arguments on the high-road, a good 2/3rds of this thread wouldn't be down in the gutter. the attention shifts from what actually happened to a oneupmanship insult contest.
This thing against Voss isn't going to go away. With the alledged defrauding in our history, I'd seriously doubt anyone would be gullible to fork over money in such 'programs'.
Year after year, this alledged Voss episode will continue to resurface no matter. Try to keep in mind that we're a mirror of the community we're in. You get back in kind how you treat others. Can the personal insults and lets get to the heart of the matter shall we?
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Hope you can bury the hatchet, check your egos at the door, and take the chips off your shoulders. You're all losing focus what this is about.
