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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2004, 11:23:39 AM »
curval... everyone is participating in creating smog... everyone follows the same laws (except that federal government is exempt)...  Indians or white girls with green eyes are not exempt nor are former armenians.

If cars are so evil then we simply need to ban them.

If smoking is so evil then the same applies.  

Dago...If you enter a shooting range you know it is a shooting range and you take your chances.   If you are allready in a bar and the owner or anyone suddenly declares he will start shooting then that would not be constituted fair warning...

if, the bar were to be a combination bar and shooting range and advertised as such.. you would have no beef if you saw or heard guns or breathed lead dust....  If the owner had a negligent dangerous range/bar combo... you could sue for negligence.

but... I still have no idea how any of this has to do with race.   banana, what is your defenition of an "uppity colored"?  or is it that you just like to have an excuse to write "uppity colored"?

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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2004, 12:01:28 PM »
probably has something to do with the INDIAN casinos...thats specifically excluding non indian casinos...thus creating a weak phantom race issue...


as far as im concerned casino's are in the same boat as bars...so smoking may as well be allowed in there...

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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2004, 12:18:31 PM »
Casinos are for gambling,

Bars are for drinking,

Restaraunts are for eating

All are licensed for those purposes.

None are licensed for smoking.

Maybe there should be "Smoking Establishments"?  Somewhere licensed to let people smoke?  Just as lethal, or more so than the others.
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« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2004, 12:54:07 PM »
no smoking = good

Smoking does nothing but bad generally.
Makes person smell, his clothes smells, his house (if smokes inside) smells, his car smells...
god.. how can someone live in such nasty smelling environment

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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2004, 12:57:57 PM »
Ok dago... fair enough... so you think that the inconvienence or danger to you means that smoking needs to be licenced and private property rights circumvented because of the high risk and/or inconvienence to you personally?

It would also appear that you feel everyone should be treated equally in the matter... including indian casinos or any other "public place".   Is that a fair assesment?

If we are going to make a law based on public safety then ... all bussiness should be treated equally... you can eat and drink in casinos..  they are as much food servers as any resteraunt and as much a bar as the local "dew drop in"  

but banana... should indian casino resteraunts be exempt from food and server health laws?

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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2004, 01:00:41 PM »
fishu... I hate the smell.  I don't allow people to smoke in my house or car  but reserve the right to change my mind or make exceptions.  

 I think the second hand smoke thing is either a myth or simply weeding out the terminally wussy who probly should not have lived thois long in any case tho..

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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2004, 01:11:35 PM »
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but banana... should indian casino resteraunts be exempt from food and server health laws?


Nyet.

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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2004, 01:17:42 PM »
The thing that kills me about second hand smoke is that you will get a couple of years worth of it over a bbq pit or campfire in one afternoon.  Are those next?

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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2004, 01:20:57 PM »
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Originally posted by Yeager
what about slaves of the capitalist system who MUST work to make ends meet  :(  and are affected by this dispicable act of inhaling the result of burning organic matter.

 They can please refrain from breathing while I smoke. It`s their choice.
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2004, 01:26:59 PM »
liz... we don't know.   It is quite possible... vegetarians might sieze on this idea and...

based on current law... they have a very good case for banning BBQ  first, out in the open in public owned places like parks and then in private bussines like bars or resteraunts and then in your backyard because the smoke would drift over to other houses.

banana... so... biggotry asside... you believe that laws should be enforced equally on all public places?   That being indian land does not exempt them from the round eyes laws of serving health and smoking?

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« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2004, 01:51:22 PM »
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banana... so... biggotry asside... you believe that laws should be enforced equally on all public places? That being indian land does not exempt them from the round eyes laws of serving health and smoking?


You're opening up a whole can of worms talking about Indian land. That's for another thread. Suffice it to say that I think public safety laws should apply in any establishment where the public is allowed, no matter whose land its on.

I'm always amused by you libertarians and the way you think. You instantly think that by banning cigarette smoking in public places, that they'll go for the BBQ grills next.
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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2004, 02:34:54 PM »
so... we agree that laws should be enforced equally?   I would never have guessed you to think that way.

Now... bout them BBQ's... are you saying that setting precedents has no meaning?  or.... are you saying that public health is not important if BBQ is involved?   BBQ should be exempt for what reason in your opinion?

Or... if the second hand smoke is just as dangerous (more so) from BBQ and at least as sickening (to some groups)  maybe more so...  what would be your thinking on why smoking should be banned but not BBQ?

Why should BBQ be exempted in your opinion?

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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2004, 03:02:40 PM »
If the US was determined to be "equal" to the native indians then about 80% of the white population should be "culled" before the horribly inequity of the smoking laws are addressed.
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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2004, 04:21:47 PM »
laz, you're thinking in absolutist terms. There is no such thing as a "safe" activity, just ones with more or less risk. Attempts to remove all risk of injury from life are A) doomed to ludicrous failure and B) likely to seriously infringe on other important priorities. For example, driving results in milions of deaths annually, but the benefits (like earning a living) are clear. We balance the risk and benefit, and make an intelligent choice.

The role of government is balancing competing important priorites. The challenge is not how to avoid the obviously bad, IT'S HOW TO CHOOSE AMONG THE MANY "GOOD" PRIORITIES.

It is good that nonsmokers be allowed to not be around smoke. It is good that smokers have freedom to travel. It is good that people be allowed to get good jobs. Balancing this isn't as obvious and easy as you seem to think. For example, the Tribal Authority decides whether to make the casino smoking or nonsmoking, and they beleive the good of their people is best served by maximizing attendance and profits.

And your comment about "slaves of the capitalist system" is both uninformed and a bit racist --
A) would you prefer the alternative system, like the freedom loving workers of North Korea?;

B) why does it seem that only stereotypically oppressed minorities are trapped against their will? Stereotypically achieving minorities come with the same financial limitations, but seem able to overcome their challenges; and

C) why do the Indians need you to tell their leadership what's best for them? Are they not wise  enough to make choices without the guidance of their betters, like you?
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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2004, 06:27:48 PM »
curval... what law allows us to "cull" 80% of the indian population?  If you are talking about the indian wars.... it was a war... they lost.

simaril... you are all over map here I think...

Non smokers have the right to not be round smoke... they decided that in public owned buildings that they do not want smoke to be allowed.. this is perfectly fine with me.  

The people should not be allowed to decide if smoking is allowed in private bussines if they are not forced to be there and smoking is allowed in society...

conversely... if smoking is so harmful that citizens have to be protected from it even in private bussines then ... no one should be exempted.  

If it is so dangerous to employees then no employer should be able to decide whether to allow smoking or not or.... they all should be.

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