Real Perk Planes?

[Downtown]

Thinking about the Perk Planes Program.

I have three suggestions.

The...

ME-262 Schwalbe.
The Gloster Meteor.
The F-80 Shooting Star.

The 262 is the most Manuverable but Short Legged.  The Gloster is the most reliable, has the best range, but not very manuverable.

The F-80 has range, but considered under armed when it actually saw combat, I assume that since the Pony's .50s would take out a Schwalbe, then a Shooting Stars .50s should too.  They just werern't very effective against migs?

When did the Mig 15 first fly?  Perhaps sneak that one in too.

Sorry I know of no Japanese jets that were either in development, or ever flew.

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"Looks Mean as Hell! Clare Lee Chenault.
 
When?
"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.

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[Animal]

isnt the F-80 a korean war era plane?
was it done by the end of WWII?

[Pongo]

All three are WW2 era planes. The P80 was just arriving in Europe as the war ended.
The mig 15 was not even concieved at the time but the russians had thier own early gets. The Japanese had a 2 engine jet simular in configuration to the 262 but only in prototype.
 The Vampire was very close to initial production at the end of the war I believe.

[funked]

262/Meteor/P-80 would be a blast to fly against each other.

[juzz]

Two words: SPIDER CRAB!!!

The Japanese jet was the Nakajima Kikka(Orange Blossom). Only two prototypes were built, and only one of them ever flew, on two occasions.

MiG-15? LOL! It used a British RR engine, and German-inspired swept wings(just like the Sabre) - no way was it even designed until after the war.

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[funked]

Juzz, the MiG-15 was actually a development of the Focke-Wulf Ta 183.  The Soviets captured the plans for the prototype and the rest is history...

[Hristo]

Double standards.

262 saw heavy action from 1944.

Meteor and P-80 are what-if planes.

[Zigrat]

meteor is not what if plane
if the 262 goes in so should meteor
but not p80 that thing never saw a combat sortie

[Nath-BDP]

Yea and F86 also used leading edge slats... thx willy lol

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IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 "Udet"


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[Nath-BDP]

just FYI, the Gloster Meteor F.Mk I scored its first kill, a V1 in August 1944 (but Hristo beleives that a V1 isn't considered a combat sortie, as we all know.)

iirc, The first kills for the Me 262 was scored by Eprungskommado(sp) 262, a DH 98 recce mossie and a P38 photo recce also in August.

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IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 "Udet"

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[Hristo]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
just FYI, the Gloster Meteor F.Mk I scored its first kill, a V1 in August 1944 (but Hristo beleives that a V1 isn't considered a combat sortie, as we all know.)

So we should have separate arena with V1s and Meteors only.

[Vosper]

Considering the 'what-if' style of combat that is already called the main arena (US vs Brit, etc etc) if the Meteor (ver III?) was ever modeled, I'd say include it.  Just say that the plane was released to the front instead of sitting at home.

Besides, jets with roundels would be cool  

CHeers

[Karnak]

Meteor F.MkIII performed combat missions over German held territory from March '45 till the end of the war.  I don't know how many actual sorties were performed though.

Too bad the Germans didn't have enough of an airforce for it to encounter anything.  

Sisu
-Karnak

[Downtown]

According to some of the reading I did on the internet the F-80 was flying around in Italy the last half of 1944 to show the U.S. Pilots that we had jets too.

I assume that if the 262 could not have been handeled with the tactics employed then they would have rushed the F-80 into production.

If you read anything about Adolf Galland, he said that the ultimate WWII Jet would have been a Schwalbe with the Rolls Royce engines (from the Meteor.)  He flew the 262 with the Luftwaffe and the Meteor with the Argentinians or Brazillians.  I don't think he flew the F-80 or 86 but I know he was in the 105.

I only suggested these three because I believe a reasonable conclusion can be asserted that all three of these aircraft existed before the wars end, all three flew, and they were similarly matched.  Ergo they would be good competetion against each other.

Had I any information that the Japanese could be producing a Jet by the end of the War I would have suggested it.

We all know the Komet flew long before the 262 and I didn't suggest it because you could only make one pass with it. (would like the 40mm mortars though.)

Anyhow that was my thinking.

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"Looks Mean as Hell! Clare Lee Chenault.
 
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.

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[Wingnut_0]

From what I've seen and read, the F-80 was a full 18 months behind in developement and it was never released for any combat status cause of airflow problems I believe. Plus the speed it reached was about the same as the P-51.

If it would of seen combat I think that it would have proven a terrible match up against the Me262.

Wingnut