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« on: October 10, 2000, 09:22:00 PM »
Had a blast tonight in zigrats Medditerannean League practice scenario. Heres a little AAR for anyone who wants to read it..

After reading the assignment email from Camo early this evening I was really looking forward to some scenario fun tonight. I read the map a few times (great job by the way camo). I showed up in the arena 20 mins early rounding my flock to A16, getting them setup, sending invites, etc. We went OTR, idling, and sat there while ziggy was getting things squared away. I had 3 of my assassins squaddies there, a couple of newer fellas, and an old vet from WB's who joined my flight, all in all we had about 8 or 9 fellas.

We finally rolled from a17 on the med map (northwestern part of sicily). We were to keep an eye out for heavies, namely B26's and pretty much protect the whole island. We grabbed alt north then circled back to the east then south over the island, the whole time keeping my eyes peeled back to the west to see if the heavies were up yet. Saw a large blob in the 1,8 sector and thought surely those were the heavies, we vectored towards the area with 27,000 ft under our belts.
We see dots at a slightly higher altitude at our 2 oclock, I call for the boys to drop tanks and WEP in, after all we had no idea what we were running into. Turns out we had stumbled into the escorts. Spit9's at over 25k is more than a handful for heavy 190's. I tell the guys to WEP thru and we would turn slightly south, as I figured the buffs were the large blob to the south, about the 14,5 sector on the med map.
Unfortunately for us, the spits were gaining, finally to the point where we had to turn and fight. After a couple minutes worth of furball, we had lost too damn many good luftwaffe pilots to the spit9s. We ended up maybe 2,000 ft off the mediterranean, with 4-5 of our guys left, and one spitfire hightailing it back to Tunisia.

The spitfire escort, though ending up badly mauled, had done its job, kept my flight of FW190A5's occupied and off the heavies.

We decided to WEP back to sicily and try to refuel then reup. As we were decending into A16 our first guy landing discovers the hard way that A16 cant be landed, so we start to WEP to A17 to the northeast as I see a small flight of two P47's coming in with energy and kill one our remaining 190's (sorry bud), down to 3 now.  

With some luck and the help of the terrain my wingman and I dispose of the 2 P47's. Unfortunatley, it was also at the cost of my wingman. Down to 2 FW190's now. Desperately trying to get to A17, I look back and see 4 typhoons diving in for the kill. after avoiding at least 7 or so bounces the only other 190 loses his engine and is forced to ditch. He is bounced while ditching and dies.

So there I am, by myself, on the deck, no wingmen left. trying to run to A17 with 3 typhoons trying to send me to my grave. I fly past my HQ, and low and behold, my own ack shoots at me and kills my engine. I try to ditch but the typhies will have none of that. They lower the boom on me, and I am dead.

So far from the father land.        

I bagged 3 allied planes, 1 spitfire and 2 P47's. Next time I'll do better men, and not get us into such a bad situation. Live and Learn      

This was just like a warbirds scenario ('cept for blob dar which i hope we can kill in scenarios in the future) as far as immersion, white knuckles, the whole bit. I hope to see more of you guys at the next one...


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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2000, 10:01:00 PM »
Salute Udie! The 'heavies' attacking 16 consisted of 2 b26's.. the 319th BG {AKmosby and myself) made it into 16 thanks to kbman and the Spits of 88 Squadron escorting.. you guys never saw us   Sadly; the ack was effective rather high.. 10k; but we still managed to blow the place a new brown eye. Lucky the goons wern't enabled or we'd be drinkin yer beer.  

There was another battle to the east going on... What happened at Malta??

Had a blast.. literally  

Mission Accomplised 88 Squadron and 319th!

<S!> SG/4!!! Well done all!

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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2000, 10:04:00 PM »
You guys came in from the north didn't ya?  

I saw you on the dar, and thought, "surely thats not the bomber formation", he he, turned out it was!

We'll get ya Sunday!

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2000, 10:39:00 PM »
you mean saturday  

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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2000, 10:42:00 PM »
yeah that, hehe

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2000, 11:00:00 PM »
JG 53 lauched 7 Bf109 G6 fighters for operations south of Sicily in the area
of Malta. Load out was 75% fuel, External Tank. and single 20mm nose
gun(turns out to be bad choice)
Pilots involved and their claims and disposition.
Group 1
Pongo CO    0 kills Swimming. (b17s)
Ygsmilo     2 kills 1 assist. RTB
Zigrat      0 kills 2 assists RTB

Group 2
Cobra       2 kills 2 assists RTB
BigJoe      3 kills RTB
Sox         4 kills 3 assist KIA (p38s)
Swager      0 kills  Swimming (b17s)

For the loss of 3 airframes and one pilot JG53 accounted for 4 b17s
destroyed and 2 heavily damaged. 4  P38 destroyed 3 spitfires Destroyed.

Jg53s  Baptism of fire over Sicily was an outstanding success.
I never realised that the 190 A8 unit that shared the defence of sicily with
us was not present till we were over malta. The JU88s targeting malta were
whiped out by the defending spitfires ne of malta. We only loaded single
20mm on our Gustavs and had a large amount of problems with the 6 b17s we
intercepted as a result.
The pilots of Jg 53 performed far above the call of duty on this day.
My plan of battle (assuming the support of the A8 unit) was to form a picket
line se of 18 all the way to malta. Myself Zigrat and ygsmilo would form
that line and fly back and forth till contact. (thought no radar)
Cobra would lead the remaining 4 pilots to malta to attempt to cap it.
The malta spitfire pilots headed east to gain alt and Cobra led his unit to
keep position on them. Milo detected and intercepted a lone spitfire headed
to Sicily. Myself and Zigrat over flew Malta and then detected a large
formation of B17s(6) se of malta and called the rest of the squad to join
for attack. Milo had to finish his spit then he joined us followed closely
by the rest of the squad closing at alt from the north.
Our attack in our lightly armed 109s went as well as could be expected. We
got 2 and damaged several in our mass attack and I went down with a verticle
stab gone and swager had to bail as well.
Both of us were in the water for the remainder.
A running battle developed with the remaining members and the 4 surviving
b17s. 2 more were killed. Zigrat got engine damage and had to RTb. Out of
ammo the squad landed at A19 to rearm and refuel. The last spitfire was
killed chasing Cobra into the Ack. In the LW we honor such kills.... . Re
armed the squad took off to chase the wounded bombers only to be atacked by
4 fresh p38s. In the ensuining running battle the squad destroyed all of the
attacking planes but Sox impacted the ground(i think, was hard to tell on
rw...) The last victory of the great 38 pilot Milo, who was killed shortly
afterwards.
Some other spits were killed in there somewhere...
Other than Swager and myself the squad did extremely well. Swager is going
to the eastern front. I am going to a rest home for war weary heros in Vienna. Cobra
took over the squad during my bath and of course the credit for the success
of the squad goes to him.

Operational status for next frame is.
7 Bf 109G6  (5 survivors-1 unused- 1 replacement)
7 Pilots (6 survivors - 1 replacement) air sea rescue!

The Eastern med will be empty of enemy for the next frame. Unfortunatly it
will be empty of our bombers as well.

Comendations
Cobra-Iron Cross Second Class
ygsMilo-Iron Cross Second Class
Bigjim -Iron Cross Second Class
Sox-Iron Cross First class

Ready for orders.

I wish I had a squad like this in the MA...



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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2000, 12:00:00 AM »
Very nice report pongo, your batch of guys did you a great job. Congratulations.

Schlacht-Gruppe 4 isn't done yet.

We're already getting geared up for this Saturday.

 

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2000, 03:46:00 AM »
Here's my AAR as sent to Sunchasr...


After the transport broke down in Al-Harreen, I arrived late at my new billet in
Tripoli.

Assigned to the 346th I arrived to find I'd missed the preflights, and was rushed to
my shiny new B-17G, without the benefit of meeting my squadmates. Loaded
already, the Mechanic had her idling for me. "bring her home" was all he said as I
climbed aboard.

Never heard a call to roll, but followed the guy in front of me as he moved, as we
launched in a rather ragged line.

Climbing out to the NE, we were divided into two flights. Sunchasr was lead,
Sling322 was #2, I was #3

Natt, and Wilfred comprised the second flight. I believe Natt was flight lead for
them. Don't know if a third ever showed up for them.

Climb out was uneventful.

Enemy planes (109's) were contacted N of Malta, coming in on my 9 oc. More
were spotted inb on our 12 oc.

Saw the 1st pass of a pair of 109's as they went by me and chewed on the rear
planes. No hits registered on either plane as they passed me at distance of approx
d1.5  Believe that pair were the ones that downed Natt .

at this point it seemed 109's were everywhere I looked, for the most part they were
slightly out of range, with the occasional nearby pass at another plane. Saw the
wingtip come off of Wilfreds plane, with the resultant loss of control, briefly
appeared he had regained control when my attention was drawn elsewhere.

Put a few pings on a 109 that I believe got Sling322's plane.
took a few pings also but no major damage at this time. saw hits on 1 of the 109's,
he fell away smoking but was under control.

Sunchasr and I were only two left. He had taken some damage and had lost 2
engines, was blowing fuel and oil from both. I slowed to maintain what little bit of
cover for him as I could.

Sling at this point joined my aircraft as a gunner, and I think he may have gotten an
assist on a 109, that put a few holes in me. Only damage was some fuel loss from
aux tanks.

As we neared the target, finally we saw some inb friendly escorts. (Thankfully)
they managed to keep us clear as we made our runs on A19

6 1000's lbers dropped with 4 confirmed hits. 1 AAA, 1 ammo bunker, 1 fuel
bunker, and 1 object (???) destroyed.

There was some confusion on my part as to exit direction and I fell away from
Sunchasr a bit, but managed to close up as we ran S for Malta.

Escort maintained good cover for the return.

Followed Leader until over Malta, where he and his gunner bailed sucessfully since
the pilot was wounded and blacking out with suprising rapidity.
Two chutes observed.

Landed with no problems at Malta.

SC-GreyBeard
346 BS

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Was a total blast....
Looking forward to Saturday...

SALUTE all!!!!



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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2000, 08:28:00 AM »
"Escort maintained good cover for the return"

 That was Newwguy and myself Greybeard. It was a bit heart wrenching, to say the least, listening to the radio as your group was being mauled by the heartless Hun.
 We had to take off took off seven  grids to the west of you and with your head start we never had a chance to assist on your egress. As it was we really only made it to you shortly after you "pickled" your presents for the target below.
 Newwguy and myself felt very good that we were able to brush that last lingering 109 off you and Suncahser even though I never had to fire a shot and Newwguy spent some warning ammo helping the 109 pilot think twice about coming back. But as is the case of escort that is just the way it goes.    YOUR HIDE is our priority. Not getting kills.
 On the egress I nearly sh&t my pants when to the west four higher dots appeared and I figured we were in for a scrap. Ceasing my zigzag over your formation I slammed my throttle to the stops and headed towards them to at least tie them up. Newwguy charged his stead likewie for the coming battle and we hoped we could cover your escape....

 When suddenly to our huge relief the aircraft proved to be friendly - it was Minotaur and crew  

 I could have used a pair of Depends for the ride home to say the least.

 I haven't been in a scenario since early last spring, and COD have I missed them! And escort is the way to go!  I'd like to thank Rob53, another 38 pilot, who stuck with it after being dumped and then not being able to form up to escort as he had to leave for work. <S> thank you Rob for your effort and for at least trying!

 -Westy

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2000, 08:41:00 AM »
Spies on Malta confirm another B17 kill for Jg53..Was probably mine...It was mine!!!!
 

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2000, 09:54:00 AM »
AAR Report Target A19

Type: B17 Flying Fortress
Load: 75% fuel, 6 1000lbs HE bombs

Crews:
Pilots;                   Gunners

Sunchser (CO) ;           Svalan
Wilfrid ;                 Pollock
Natt              
SCGreyB ;                Sling322 (after his b17 went down)
Sling322

Ground Objects destroyed at A19:
Fuel Bunker x1
Gun Emplacement x1
Ammo Bunker x1

A/C Destroyed in combat:
Pollock 2 109s destroyed
Svalan 1 109 destroyed
Sling322 1 assist, 1 109 damaged (believed to be Zigrat)

Sling322 (gunning for SCGreyB) 1 109 destroyed

Crew RTB
SCGreyB - RTB`d A12 with fuel leak left wing, poss. other damage.
Sling322 - RTB`d SCGreyB gunner.

Sunchser - RTB`d Malta with heavy damage and pilot wound. Bailed out over base; Successful bail out
Svalan - RTB`d Sunchser gunner.

Crew MIA
Wilfrid - Successful bail - POW
Natt - Unknown
Pollock - Successful bail - POW

NOTE Some confusion may arrise as some pilot(s) became gunners when they were shot down, and managed to RTB that way.

2 A/C reached target and bombed, 3 shot down enroute.

Report:
B17 flight departed A12 and flew north to A19. An altitude of approx 23-24k was reached when the formation was bounced by ME109s, flying from the 12 and 9 O`clock positions (N and W). In the many passes that ensued, the Fortresses gave a good account of themselves (see scores), but at a price - 3 were shot down just within sight of landfall. 2 B17s bombed the target, 1 crew bailing out over allied territory (A12), 1 landing at A12 field itself.


Commendations:

Sunchser for successfully bombing the target and returning himself and crew to friendly soil with a badly damaged bomber and Pilot Wounds. These wounds were suffered over the target itself.
SCGreyB for successfully bombing the target and landing his damaged bomber at a friendly base.

Notes, Recommendations.

1.)B17 Squadron departed base too soon, fighter escorts only caught up on the return leg. Attack was unco-ordinated in this respect.
2.)Fighter escorts planned to rendevous with B17 squadron near the target; It is this officers opinion they should have sought to locate the B17 squadron and stay inside visual range much earlier, enroute to the target.
3.)Escorting fighter squadron (CO was Westy) did sterling work when it DID meet up with B17 squadron, and ensured that the 2 surviving crews RTB`d; They are to be congratulated.


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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2000, 12:25:00 PM »
Yes, it was very fun.  My P-38 flight got smoked.  They put "Death by Stupidity" on our un-marked graves.  

The funniest thing did happen......

We were 5 P-38's flying in close formation.  Filled with pride at our shiny A/C.  We were maintaining a d400 spread at 20k.  Suddenly our brave leader Central abruptly falls back and loses altitude rapidlying.

In the radio buffer we see:
    asdfghjkl;'

What the heck?

Seems that with his 2 arms and his 2 legs Central was un-able to defend his keyboard from all of the six kids that were at his house.  One got through on a sneak attack and "Ejected" him from the flight. Our first casualty!  

It did notice that the LW planes (109's) do enjoy significant advantage with the d3.0 icon range.  They blend in very well to the groundscape, almost impossible to see.

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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2000, 12:28:00 PM »
"My P-38 flight got smoked"

 ???   After Newguy and myself escorted the two remaining B-17 bombers south were you guys jumped or did you go lower into a fight? What happend?

  -Westy

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2000, 01:44:00 PM »
This is my first AAR so bear with me:

JG 53 left 18 and my orders per my CO (Pongo) were to BARCAP between A18 and V50.

Climbing east at 22k Cobra flight reported a lone con to the south, I turned to check it out and it turned out to be a lone spit.  I climbed above the spit as Cobra flight arrived and engaged the spit.  Pongo then instructed me to continue south to look for buffs.  Made contact with the bombers about the same time that 4 other members of the Squad did.  Commenced a fairly coordinated attack from 9 oclock hi as the others did and opened up on Natt at 350 and scored good hits on left wing and center area.  Dove out and climbed back to make another attack, saw that the B17 I had hit was on its way down.

Second attack similar to the first, after gaining position above and abeam the bombers made a run and hit a bomber seperating it from the formation, stalked the B17 and finished it off with a 2 oclock hi attack.

Needing to RTB for fuel and ammo headed for A19 as were Sox and Cobra.  Noticed a Spit trailing me so headed for the deck.  Thinking I had lost the spit I throttled back as I got vis on Sox and Cobra, big mistake the next think I know is hearing the  sound of .303s, looking back the lone spit is d400 back shooting.  Wep on, nose down to the deck running for the ack of 19.  I did manage to gain some seperation and the spit was destroyed be the ack.

After rearming lifed of with Sox,Cobra and Big Joe who had just landed.  Thats when Minos bunch of P38s came in high so we decided to run low to 18, the P38s found us and came down to hunt.  I was tail end Charlie and when the 38s were 2.5 back I made the decision to reverse into them after informing the others and a wild furball ensued.  Cant remember much other than looping over the top after one 38 but missing the shot, someone screaming break, and then watching a 38 wax Cobra.  I followed him in his zoom and got good hits on him but no kill.  Big Joe got him and then the remaining 38s bugged out.

Landed at 18 with Big Joe and kissed the ground upon getting out of the cockpit.

2 B-17s downed and 1 assist on 38s.

Great stuff, very immersive.  You really try to stay alive and think about what you are doing.  

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2000, 02:25:00 PM »
Tallying the kills here is as hard as real life!
Only 7 109s were present in Sicly. 4 of them returned to base. One was lost to a 38. There were only 2 109 kills by buffs not the 4 you record

I was sure there were 6 buffs!
So 5 B17s were intercepted near malta. Only one landed. That is 4 buff kills.