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Pongo · « **Reply #45 on:** July 19, 2004, 04:58:03 PM »

Storch
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How ever many of their dead, man, woman or child it takes to subdue and subjugate them is fine with me.
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shame on you for your hatred.

john9001 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 19, 2004, 06:08:53 PM »

the patriot act does affect civil liberties...every time a AQ gang makes reservations to fly from Paris to Wash DC the flight gets canceled. Disruption of their vacation travel plans impacts their "civil liberties",
I, the UN and the ACLU are OUTRAGED

-MZ- · « **Reply #47 on:** July 19, 2004, 06:14:28 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So basically you are saying that Bin laden's goal of the 911 attacks was to have the government take away our civil liberties?

His main stated goal was to get US troops out of Saudi Arabia.

Mission accomplished.

ravells · « **Reply #48 on:** July 19, 2004, 07:35:49 PM »

Great post, Shaden, thanks.

Really brings home the 'lions led by donkeys' thought.

Ravs

Lizking · « **Reply #49 on:** July 19, 2004, 07:39:20 PM »

Actually, MZ, the main goal of the Iraq war was to get our troops out of Saudi. It appears to me that the Saudis have been kicking AQ bellybutton since we left. Coincidence? No.

ravells · « **Reply #50 on:** July 19, 2004, 07:43:00 PM »

The Saudi's have been kicking AQ's arse?

Are you sure about that?

Ravs

Lizking · « **Reply #51 on:** July 19, 2004, 07:45:43 PM »

Pretty sure, do have any indications they aren't?

ravells · « **Reply #52 on:** July 19, 2004, 07:53:30 PM »

Depends...are you talking about the ruling family who are so far into debt that they just do what they're told by the people they owe money to,

or are you talking about the lower classes?

Ravs

Lizking · « **Reply #53 on:** July 19, 2004, 07:53:47 PM »

Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah has warned imams they are being closely monitored and reminded the Muslim preachers they had to battle extremists.

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=87184&Sn=WORL&IssueID=27121

Senior al Qaeda activist surrendered to Saudi authorities

http://www.albawaba.com/headlines/TheNews.php3?action=story&sid=280922&lang=e&dir=

Those are big steps.

ravells · « **Reply #54 on:** July 19, 2004, 07:56:28 PM »

Hmm by the ruling family.

How many of the people who have been denied the oil wealth are listening?

Ravs

-MZ- · « **Reply #55 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:08:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
Actually, MZ, the main goal of the Iraq war was to get our troops out of Saudi.

Agree.

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It appears to me that the Saudis have been kicking AQ bellybutton since we left. Coincidence? No.

The connection may be that our leaving has denied AQ their main argument against the ruling family, and now they have the political cover to go after AQ. Or maybe the Royal family finally came to their senses and realised that AQ wants them dead.

It is difficult to know what is happening over there, Saudi Arabia controls information as much as it can, like other totalitarian states.

Crumpp · « **Reply #56 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:09:00 PM »

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the patriot act does affect civil liberties...every time a AQ gang makes reservations to fly from Paris to Wash DC the flight gets canceled. Disruption of their vacation travel plans impacts their "civil liberties",

And if the flight was blown up with you on it, who would you be blaming?

Crumpp

john9001 · « **Reply #57 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:18:48 PM »

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the patriot act does affect civil liberties...every time a AQ gang makes reservations to fly from Paris to Wash DC the flight gets canceled. Disruption of their vacation travel plans impacts their "civil liberties",
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"sarcastic"...

...why do i always have to explan

Lizking · « **Reply #58 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:21:23 PM »

If you guys are seriously interested, read this site often. Click the tabs up-top, then select the various media on those pages. Most can be accessed in English.

http://www.albawaba.com/main/index.ie.php3?lang=e

You can learn a lot.

ravells · « **Reply #59 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:22:29 PM »

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Originally posted by -MZ-
Agree.

The connection may be that our leaving has denied AQ their main argument against the ruling family, and now they have the political cover to go after AQ. Or maybe the Royal family finally came to their senses and realised that AQ wants them dead.

It is difficult to know what is happening over there, Saudi Arabia controls information as much as it can, like other totalitarian states.

Or maybe it's because the Saudi ruling family owe such a shedload of money to creditors that happen to be in the US that they will do what they are told?

If anyone thinks that this conflict is about love and peace and fair play, they are sadly mistaken.

Ravs