Author Topic: IRS and Jerry Falwell (Read 1133 times)

demaw1 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 19, 2004, 07:52:39 PM »

Silat....greatest enemy

So you say a christian is your greatest enemy,ok question,Its 2oclock in the morning and you are leaving your favorate bar just a little bit drunk.You hear footsteps behind you ,turn,you see 2 rough looking christians[males] with bibles in their hands,Would you be more or less afraid than if you saw 2 rough looking arab muslims their faces wrapped in cloth and chanting about allah?

Vulcan · « **Reply #31 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:22:28 PM »

Does anyone else find this whole nonprofit vs churchs non-taxable thing amusing?

And then theres the whole irony of we can't have churchs taxed because then government would be involved in religion. But then churchs have the right to participate in government...

You guys really need to make nonprofit MEAN nonprofit. Not tax-dodge.

And if a religious organisation wants to hook into politics then politics should be free to hook into it.

Vulcan · « **Reply #32 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:29:21 PM »

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Originally posted by demaw1
Silat....greatest enemy

So you say a christian is your greatest enemy,ok question,Its 2oclock in the morning and you are leaving your favorate bar just a little bit drunk.You hear footsteps behind you ,turn,you see 2 rough looking christians[males] with bibles in their hands,Would you be more or less afraid than if you saw 2 rough looking arab muslims their faces wrapped in cloth and chanting about allah?

Given total religious history, I'd take the Muslims.

demaw1 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:51:38 PM »

vulcan you are intellectually dishonest.

Simaril · « **Reply #34 on:** July 19, 2004, 09:26:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Given total religious history, I'd take the Muslims.

Or uninformed historically. Given the state of schools and the PC environment in the developed world, could be either or both.

Simaril · « **Reply #35 on:** July 19, 2004, 09:30:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Does anyone else find this whole nonprofit vs churchs non-taxable thing amusing?

And then theres the whole irony of we can't have churchs taxed because then government would be involved in religion. But then churchs have the right to participate in government...

You guys really need to make nonprofit MEAN nonprofit. Not tax-dodge.

And if a religious organisation wants to hook into politics then politics should be free to hook into it.

Vulcan, you're entirely (deliberately???) missing the point of the regulations. Churches can NOT participate in partisan politics and remain tax exempt. They CAN make statements about moral beliefs and ethical principles. If a tax exempt religious organization engages in endorsements or campaigning, they lose their tax exempt status.

Any questions?

Vulcan · « **Reply #36 on:** July 19, 2004, 09:33:09 PM »

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Originally posted by demaw1
vulcan you are intellectually dishonest.

Really? Study a little history...

I disagree with many Muslim beliefs, but I also disagree with many Christian beliefs. Having a quick look at history, most of the religious wars have been started by Christians (and been extremely brutal).

Muslim behaviour in the last 60 years has been pretty attrocious, however it has generally the case of a minority of fanatics. Then again theres been some pretty bad stuff from the Christian side (the Slavic states for example) as well.

But when you step back and say look at the last 500 or so years the Muslims have been much more well behaved and contributed much more to civilisation than the Christians.

I'm sure if you take a small population of Christians, bottled them up in a small state, under a baking hot sun, with the Israeli's poking them every now and then, you'd produce a few suicide bombers.

Vulcan · « **Reply #37 on:** July 19, 2004, 09:35:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
Vulcan, you're entirely (deliberately???) missing the point of the regulations. Churches can NOT participate in partisan politics and remain tax exempt. They CAN make statements about moral beliefs and ethical principles. If a tax exempt religious organization engages in endorsements or campaigning, they lose their tax exempt status.

Any questions?

Yes, is this what is happening in real life, or just the theory.

Get my drift?

Simaril · « **Reply #38 on:** July 19, 2004, 09:57:36 PM »

Yes, it happens in real life, and the religious organizations I'm familiar with take great pains to do things right.

Even if bad apples exist, they don't define the whole bushel. Categorical statements -- that all people of a ceratin belief or ceratin color or ceratin country behave a certain way - are a short step from frank prejudice. So, even if ,IF Falwell or someone like him breaks the rules, it is patently unfair and dishonest to imply that all religious organizations should be tarred with the same brush.

Quote: Given the total of all religious history, I'd take the muslims -- Vulcan

I also find it endlessly interesting that many in developed world are generous and open minded with all belief systems except christianity.

demaw1 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 19, 2004, 10:28:55 PM »

Vulcan re; study history.

Vulcan I thank you for a very reasoned reply.I am sorry maybe I am really tired[Iam] I cant get my brain around your post as I think it is to vague to reply to. It did get your point a cross not saying it didnt, but I would have to have some idea of the wars you thought christians started. That would give me an idea who you believe christians are starting 500 years ago.

It has not been a case of minority fanatics not for some 3000 years + or_ [for you this is not a trap so dont fall in it]

The only time the muslims or their fore fathers behaved well was when they didnt have the power to do anything else.

Name two things that are good the muslims have given to civilisation.
The Judeo/Christian foundation has given the world,Britian,America,Israel,[and a few others] From these came freedom,liberty,English common law,rights,women treated as equals,not 2nd class citzens or dogs as in some places.Ownership of land for common people,education,oppertunity,freedom of religion,the right to be safe in your home,the right to vote to remove bad leaders with out all the bloodshed.
Yes this is some what simplistic,and didnt happen over night and is still in a state of change for the better.
No there would be no suicide bombers even the muslims know this for they have said,final victory will be ours because they love life and we love death.

AKIron · « **Reply #40 on:** July 19, 2004, 11:29:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Does anyone else find this whole nonprofit vs churchs non-taxable thing amusing?

And then theres the whole irony of we can't have churchs taxed because then government would be involved in religion. But then churchs have the right to participate in government...

You guys really need to make nonprofit MEAN nonprofit. Not tax-dodge.

And if a religious organisation wants to hook into politics then politics should be free to hook into it.

Why does nonprofit have to mean nonpolitical?

Silat · « **Reply #41 on:** July 20, 2004, 12:35:14 AM »

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Originally posted by demaw1
Silat....greatest enemy

So you say a christian is your greatest enemy,ok question,Its 2oclock in the morning and you are leaving your favorate bar just a little bit drunk.You hear footsteps behind you ,turn,you see 2 rough looking christians[males] with bibles in their hands,Would you be more or less afraid than if you saw 2 rough looking arab muslims their faces wrapped in cloth and chanting about allah?

Fanatics Demaw. They scare me. Christian or otherwise. Get it?

demaw1 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 20, 2004, 07:45:34 PM »

Silat re; fanatics

Fanatics can only scare you if you believe one thing is no better than another.[euro equality] If you can decern between good and evil you will not fear.

Do not fear them that can kill your body,rather fear him that can destory your soul.

xrtoronto · « **Reply #43 on:** July 20, 2004, 08:23:04 PM »

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Originally posted by demaw1
Silat re; fanatics

Fanatics can only scare you if you believe one thing is no better than another.[euro equality] If you can decern between good and evil you will not fear.

Do not fear them that can kill your body,rather fear him that can destory your soul.

what language is this word you used: 'decern'?

what does it mean?

demaw1 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 20, 2004, 08:44:27 PM »

Xtronato re discern

I wish to ask all to please forgive the tendency of my fingers to go in a different direction then they are told. When I was going to school typing was for the ladies, who knew. I do not have time to learn the right way to type, as for many years I have been busy building large custom homes for people. As I know for a fact I will make many mistakes typeing and a few spelling I ask your forgiveness now and in the future, thank you Demaw.