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Offline seabat

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Stalls
« on: July 20, 2004, 09:43:02 AM »
I seem to be having more trouble with stalls lately.   I know that the FM has changed with AH2 but I have this belief that the majority of my problem is due to my new CH Joystick.

Back in AH 1 I used an old TM Topgun stick, not the new version which comes with the clip on throttle.   I would stall occasionally but it was never the with the "violent" snaps and spin that I encounter now.    

While still playing AH 1 I purchased a siatek x45 and used that joystick for about a week.   That is when I first encountered the types of stalls that I get into now.    I got tired of that and went back to the TM and the "violent" stalls dissappeared.

I now have the CH fighter stick with CH throttle and the stalls are back.  They occured in both AH1 and 2.

The TM stick was stiff, the CH is not.   I could hold a p47-11 in tight turn fights and scissors at low speed and not worry about the stalls.  Now I hardly fly the jug - 11.  

I have tried various levels of scaling and damping but I still have the stalls.  The stalls occur at low speed and high speed.   I am guessing the high speed stalls would be translated to accelerated stalls.   I guess some of the low speed stalls would be in the same catergory.

Can anyone tell me if I am just looking for an excuse to sooth my ego and I need to get use to the new FM or can the stick difference really affect my encounters with the "violent" stalls?

Thanks.

Offline Ghosth

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2004, 02:40:02 PM »
Ok, first off, did you check your deadband settings?  Stalls seem to be directly tied to stick input as well as the plane itself.

As such a stick with even minor spikes in the deadband can turn normally docile planes into a beast.

I like to lightly twirl the stick so it just touches the springs, in the center "slop" area. If your seeing any bumps or curves on the joystick input screen while doing this you need to adjust deadbands till they are gone.


Next, you say you've adjusted sliders.
Well lets revisit this.
Leave roll out of it. In Pitch, you want to keep the ends the same as the default.
 
Starting low left & stepping high right to end at the top.

However you can try a low curve. Make the first 5 sliders step very slowly upward.
Then the remaining sliders split jump rapidly towards the top. This gives you a lot finer control towards the center. But gives you full input if you bury the stick.

Offline MaddogJoe

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Stalls
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2004, 03:45:46 PM »
it sounds like to me that you are just having trouble adjusting to a new stick. You said the old stick was stiff, and the new one isn't. Picture this as a baseball player praticing with a heavy bat, then switching to the lighter bat to hit, getting quicker wrist movement, and faster bat speed. Your most likley running into the same thing. What use to be a small smooth input with yuor old stick is now a quicker "stab" input, and at slow speeds will really throw ya for a loop.

Set the sliders like you did for your old stick, then like Ghost said slide the first 3 or 4 down so they step up slowly. This should give ya that "slower input. you were getting with the other stick.

I have all CH stuff, and don't have any trouble with stalls... unless I push the envelope just that little too much :D  Knowing you have to be a bit easier on the stick should help too.