Author Topic: Three kids are too many - I'll abort two (Read 1507 times)

Trell · « **Reply #30 on:** July 22, 2004, 04:44:04 PM »

I belive abortion is moraly wrong, And I will tell you that I could never live with a women that did this to a child we may have created.

I could not live with the women, but i would not take away her right of choice

midnight Target · « **Reply #31 on:** July 22, 2004, 04:46:44 PM »

Straw man!!!!!

Bad situation no doubt. Hard to find anything but fault in the woman's decision. That's why it's a straw man.

Keep abortion legal, keep telling people that there are better options.

Weavling · « **Reply #32 on:** July 22, 2004, 04:50:02 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Trell
murder, robbery or theft are all moraly and legaly wrong, they are against someone else.

Abortion is against the women her self, She will have to live with it for the rest of her life. Trying to say it is not her choice
is like saying the women is a slave to the people. might as well chain all women up as soon as pregncy has been astablished. to save the child from what the women may do.

So stoping a childbirth, which is comprised of living cells, which in a short amount of time will have begun making specific cells for organs of the body, is not murder? Just because something that has a full potential for life is still developing in a womb makes it comparable to an unwanted growth on the woman? It tears me up inside to think that people view unborn children as nothing more than that. The child has the full potential for life, yet it has no identity other than a growth in side a womans body.

Sure, the woman has to live with her decision for the rest of her life. Small price to pay. The child never even got a chance for life...

Trell · « **Reply #33 on:** July 22, 2004, 04:53:41 PM »

Weavling, As much as we can go round and round with this argument, I know neither one of us will change our minds on this argument. So I will leave this argument with you at this.

Trying to argue if abortion should or should not be alowed, is like arguing if there is a god or not.

No one ever wins.

Pongo · « **Reply #34 on:** July 22, 2004, 04:55:13 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by midnight Target
Straw man!!!!!

Bad situation no doubt. Hard to find anything but fault in the woman's decision. That's why it's a straw man.

Keep abortion legal, keep telling people that there are better options.

If someone could do that, how could they right about it? But maybe Im just in dream land.

Sixpence · « **Reply #35 on:** July 22, 2004, 05:02:47 PM »

Ahh, the old take an extreme case so we can paint the issue with a broad brush thread. Been here, done that.

mietla · « **Reply #36 on:** July 22, 2004, 05:06:41 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Trell
murder, robbery or theft are all moraly and legaly wrong, they are against someone else.

you've said that pushing your morals on someone else is evil, and that's how you justified a support for abortion.

Wonder why you are against the other things?

Quote

Abortion is against the women her self,

that's patently not true.

Quote

Trying to say it is not her choice
is like saying the women is a slave to the people

Pregnancy was her choice. I know that you'll argue in a general case, but let's narrow it down to this particular case. She did choose to get pregnant.

mietla · « **Reply #37 on:** July 22, 2004, 05:11:02 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Sixpence
Ahh, the old take an extreme case so we can paint the issue with a broad brush thread. Been here, done that.

not really. We are talking about a very specific case. A woman killed two of her kids for convenience (nothing else) and against the wishes of the father.

And it is still ok with you?

What would you do if you were the father?

MT, care to answer those two questions too?

Hawklore · « **Reply #38 on:** July 22, 2004, 05:46:03 PM »

Haha, her boyfriends name is Peter...

Aborting two, thats what adoption is for, there are people out there who want a baby, because they can't physically have one or are too old, or are not fertile...

Her boyfriends name is Peter...

Trell · « **Reply #39 on:** July 22, 2004, 05:50:09 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by mietla
you've said that pushing your morals on someone else is evil, and that's how you justified a support for abortion.

Wonder why you are against the other things?,

Then Y are you not against smokine, guns or people poluting the enviroment?
second hand smoke kills, there are accidents with guys that kills, and polututing the enviroment kills,

So are you saying that anyone that smokes near anyone is the same as some one that murders?

Quote

Pregnancy was her choice. I know that you'll argue in a general case, but let's narrow it down to this particular case. She did choose to get pregnant. [/B]

And she chose to not be pregnant,

You are trying to claim that a woman getting an aportion is like walking next door and killing her neighbor.

I disagree.

And if i was the father, I would distance my self from the women if she chose to get an abortion.

I can see my self never talking to the woman again, and never forgiving her, but in my opinion forcing the women to following through with the pregentcy
is worse.

Trell · « **Reply #40 on:** July 22, 2004, 05:52:04 PM »

I find her choice even worse becasuse she was allready folowing through with the pregency, of 1,
Adoption would have been better

mietla · « **Reply #41 on:** July 22, 2004, 06:07:54 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Trell
Then Y are you not against smokine, guns or people poluting the enviroment?
second hand smoke kills, there are accidents with guys that kills, and polututing the enviroment kills,

nonsense. Also, just because I allow certain things to be illegal does not mean that I'm for delegalization of everything. It's just silly conclusion.

Quote

You are trying to claim that a woman getting an aportion is like walking next door and killing her neighbor.

yes

Quote

And if i was the father, I would distance my self from the women if she chose to get an abortion.

I can see my self never talking to the woman again, and never forgiving her, but in my opinion forcing the women to following through with the pregentcy
is worse. [/B]

that's it?

she asks you to leave the room because she wants to murder your child, and you obediently leave and "distance" yourself?

Sixpence · « **Reply #42 on:** July 22, 2004, 06:11:02 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by mietla

not really. We are talking about a very specific case. A woman killed two of her kids for convenience (nothing else) and agains the wishes of the father.

And this is not an extreme case?

And it is still ok with you?

I do not agree with it, because it is an extreme case. By extreme I mean the factors, how far along and why.

I have mentioned this before. When I met my wife, she had a son who has duchenne muscular dystrophy, it is the worst kind and the male is the only one who can get this form. Most of it's victims are dead by 20, and most cannot even feed themselves by the age of 15. There is no cure in sight and no drugs that can slow the process. We were told of a test that could be administered. The first test to find out if it is a male or female, the second test(if a male)would determine if he had the fatal disease. This test can be done early, but comes with a high chance of a miscarriage, it is recommended at 16 weeks. We made the choice to have the test as recommended, because if the fetus did not have the disease, we did not want any harm done. We also made the choice not to bring someone into the world with such a disease. Thankfully it never came down to that, our prayers were answered and we went on to have two healthy girls. Now when they grow older, we will have to explain to them that if they have a boy, it has a 95% of having the disease. And they will have to discuss having children and the choices that can be made with anyone they decide to marry. At some point they may be faced with the same decision, and I hope the government is not making it for them. Why would you think that government should should get involved and make such a sensitive family decision?

What would you do if you were the father?

First of all, before getting into a situation of conception, I would bring up the issue of choice and where she stood on that. If I were in the situation(like him) where I wanted the other children, I would ask her to have them and draw up paperwork taking full responsibility for them. That seems to be one of her main issues.

Each case is different. Is it ok in some cases but not in others? Where do you draw the line? The far left will say choice no matter the situation, the far right will say no choice no matter the situation. There seems to be no middle ground in choice, so I decide for choice.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #43 on:** July 22, 2004, 06:22:02 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Pongo
What human being would kill two of thier kids, recount it so clinicaly then start to think of having more.

it may be fake, but just to answer your question- one who has been programed her whole life to believe it's a decision not a baby and that there is nothing wrong with it. a nice brainwashing to de-activate her conscience.

unfortunately for her(fortunately for any future babies she becomes pregnant with), at some point most womens (at least those I know personally enough to discus this sort of thing) conscience will eventually over-ride the programing and they realize what they've done.

of course there are no shortage of them who seem to have no conscience and have many ( I know one women in her late 30's who's had over 10) abortions just because it's so hard to remember those pills.

demaw1 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 22, 2004, 06:34:10 PM »

Pure narcissism at its worst.

Do not feel sorry for the 2 wonderfully made babies, they are safe in the arms of their creator.Rather feel sorry for human kind as it will now be another 175 years before someone else invents the cure for cancer.
Feel sorry for the baby that is left,as one day he will have to deal with it one way or another.