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« Reply #120 on: February 17, 2005, 05:47:08 PM »
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IMHO it is just as important to be "extremely" aggressive in your attack on the enemy while learning countering manuevers as well.  Right now I am trying to learn as many different ways to kill the guy d600 my 6 as possible.  Not just get out alive but kill him dead.  


Amen!!!

This is simply the best way to get better in a hurry.  I'd suggest using film too to see what happens and especially what moves more veteran players use against you and how to counter them.

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« Reply #121 on: February 18, 2005, 08:43:18 AM »
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Right now I am trying to learn as many different ways to kill the guy d600 my 6 as possible.  Not just get out alive but kill him dead.  


I  know of 2 easy ways to do that.

1) Fly a buff
2) Fly a spit

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« Reply #122 on: February 18, 2005, 06:56:30 PM »
I applaud Jaxxo, Del, Lute and others who practice good gaming and simming. This really is an advanced version  of any video combat sim and really does require training to be somewhat competitive believe it or not. I must say there is no substitute for practice and HANDS on experience. Good luck to all ESPECIALLY the 38 who augered 4 times in a row while tryin' to kill me lala.

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« Reply #123 on: February 19, 2005, 12:17:13 AM »
Jaxxo i'm in. maybe ill finally learn how to beat you lol:aok
Yes I know I suck, other wise youuuuu would be dead so stop bragging.

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« Reply #124 on: February 19, 2005, 04:29:20 AM »
So.....how do I set up a training session.  I sometimes feel like I'm doing ok but have been handed my butt by several folks mentioned in here (Lute, Morph, Levi, Wildthing...just to mention a few).  
I can stay safe by keeping the advantage and bugging when I lose it but I'm wanting to get better with the tnb stuff.  I'm not so hot with the 1 v 1 lets go turnfight stuff.  Lately I've been getting out of the Mustang and flying the 38 (manual trim...what a nightmare first starting out) and the 109 (g and f).  I've also kept the target alt's to around 10-15k to force the disadvantaged situation to occur more frequently.  Unfortunately I lost many of the 1 v 1 similar plane fights I get into...unless I get discouraged and grab a stang.  I really don't see what I'm doing wrong in these fights and I've lost a boatload of em.

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« Reply #125 on: February 19, 2005, 07:45:04 AM »
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So.....how do I set up a training session.  I sometimes feel like I'm doing ok but have been handed my butt by several folks mentioned in here (Lute, Morph, Levi, Wildthing...just to mention a few).  
I can stay safe by keeping the advantage and bugging when I lose it but I'm wanting to get better with the tnb stuff.  I'm not so hot with the 1 v 1 lets go turnfight stuff.  Lately I've been getting out of the Mustang and flying the 38 (manual trim...what a nightmare first starting out) and the 109 (g and f).  I've also kept the target alt's to around 10-15k to force the disadvantaged situation to occur more frequently.  Unfortunately I lost many of the 1 v 1 similar plane fights I get into...unless I get discouraged and grab a stang.  I really don't see what I'm doing wrong in these fights and I've lost a boatload of em.

Little Help Here??
Zaphod


Check out the 479th film library for some good 38 films (you'll find the link if you search the forums), and get a decent pilot into the DA. A lot of the better pilots are almost always willing to give you some tips if  you ask em. You might want to start digging through old posts on the help and training forum.

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« Reply #126 on: February 19, 2005, 11:18:30 AM »
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I was just thinking. The so called "elite" pilots of AH2 seem to be on a different level than the rest of us. I would like to see squads taking turns in the training arena teaching some of the younger guys some moves. I know it would be a pain in the arse listening to the inane questions but IMO its a great way to start getting to a higher level of gameplay in the MA. Cause it kinda sux right now. You all can admit it. Even the squads that have great sticks and wing well together have to get bored of slaughtering these newbs...well maybe not....but something has to be done. Im going to make an effort to train some folks...some others care to step up? Would love to shedule an open class for the acm challenged.


I thought we all agreed a couple of weeks ago that it's gunnery that counts and acm doesn't???

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« Reply #127 on: February 19, 2005, 11:55:00 AM »
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I would like to see squads taking turns in the training arena teaching some of the younger guys some moves. I know it would be a pain in the arse listening to the inane questions but IMO its a great way to start getting to a higher level of gameplay in the MA.  


i know this is a little, late but i think its a great idea and would love some new training and would be happy to pass on what little i may know..

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« Reply #128 on: February 19, 2005, 01:22:01 PM »
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Check out the 479th film library for some good 38 films (you'll find the link if you search the forums), and get a decent pilot into the DA. A lot of the better pilots are almost always willing to give you some tips if  you ask em. You might want to start digging through old posts on the help and training forum.

-pellik


Thanks pellik :).

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« Reply #129 on: February 19, 2005, 01:30:20 PM »
i may have to turn Combat Trim off in my 38 one of these days...
then again, maybe not.  dont think this old dog can learn any new tricks.
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« Reply #130 on: February 20, 2005, 04:23:16 PM »
I'm not an ace pilot in AH, in fact I seldom fly a fighter. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. (Hi Wadke =o)

People want to learn ACM, but there is some confusion of what ACM is and how it fits into combat fighting. ACM for the most part is the basic handling of your plane. It consists of making the plane change direction. It's the vertical moves using the elevators, the horizontal moves using the rudder, and rolling the plane around it's axis. These basic moves are compounded into maneuvers such as the loop, Immel,  split s, turn, yoyo, aileron roll, barrel roll and sissors. It's important to be able to perform these basic maneuvers well while retaining energy. But you must then apply these to any situation in air combat. This is where the aces shine.

What I'm talking about is air combat tactics. This is where you put it all together to make it work for you. It only partly involves ACM, like surfing partly involves breathing. It involves the plane you are flying, the plane of your opponent, how many opponents you face, the relative properties (speed and altitude), your armament, and an objective. (Is your objecive to gain air superiority or bomb an enemy installation?) You must be able to react to the situation at hand with a purpose, knowing what the affect of each maneuver will be. For example, you know how to cause your plane to slip. How can this be used to your advantage in the situation at hand? It's like planning out a series of chess moves based upon what you anticipate to be your opponents intention and likely response.

It's this tactical part that you ultimately need to learn, and unfortunately for me you can't learn it at the Holiday Inn. Robert Shaw's book on "Fighter Combat" will help a lot.

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« Reply #131 on: February 20, 2005, 05:51:51 PM »
as posted on page 3 of this thread:
check out  badboy's article

Transferable Skills in Simulated Air Combat

to understand the difference in

AHC
BFM
ACM
ACT
etc
etc


there is alot of misconceptions as to what the abreviations stand for and this should clear up any misunderstandings

is a good read...enjoy
"When one considers just what they should say to a new pilot who is logging in Aces High, the mind becomes confused in the complex maze of info it is necessary for the new player to know. All of it is important; most of it vital; and all of it just too much for one brain to absorb in 1-2 lessons" TC