Author Topic: anyone wanna learn acm's (Read 4104 times)

Edbert · « **Reply #90 on:** July 29, 2004, 07:58:01 AM »

Redtop:

Regarding trim: Don't worry about the trim stuff until you get the ACM terminology down. I think you understand more about ACM than you think, it may just be the names of the moves you already know and use thats missing. Put your trim into auto mode, it works well at any speeds other than compression or stall.

Regarding keeping your E: It does not matter what plane you fly or how well it turns, retaining your energy is always something you should strive for. Last night I was in an FM2, dove into a valley to kill some spit5s that were swarming. There was about 12 reds and about 9 greens in that valley. I came in fast (was only about 10K but that is high for the Wildcat) and about the time I was co-alt I saw there were only 1 or 2 greens left and many of the reds were La7s. I decided to keep my speed, went level and actually flew away from about 4 La7s (who had gotten slow in the furball). I drew three of them out of the mess (past icon range of the rest) and killed two before the third ran (by then I was slow). My guess is they saw a F4F running away from a slow fight and assumed I was a noob. The point being that just because you are in a spit5 doesn't mean you should always dump your E. Take up a spit9 sometime and fly it like a 190D (assume you cannot flat-turn more than 270 degrees without stalling), the Spi9 is a hell of a speedy E-fighter if you let it be one.

dedalos · « **Reply #91 on:** July 29, 2004, 10:11:48 AM »

OK,
first, don't be nice to Steve. He keeps shooting me down. Alt monkey

Second, RedTop, combat trim, stal limiters, etc are just hardware setings. Nothing to do with ACM. You make the right moves and the red guy is dead. Does not mater how mach he is triming the thing manuly or what plane he is in. And by the way, you don;t need to know what the thing you or the red guy did is called as long as you end up on his six.

PS. maybe I'll switch sides for a night just so you can get some easy kills.

SlapShot · « **Reply #92 on:** July 29, 2004, 10:49:42 AM »

Intelligence and meticulous tactics beat arcade game reflexes 9 out of 10 times. If you have decent flying ability (knowledge of advanced acm's) and also fly intelligently and tactically sound you are going to be very successfull in the MA, it's just a fact.

Zazen ... so, if thats what it takes, then how do you explain your success ...

SlapShot · « **Reply #93 on:** July 29, 2004, 10:55:39 AM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
OK,
first, don't be nice to Steve. He keeps shooting me down. Alt monkey

Second, RedTop, combat trim, stal limiters, etc are just hardware setings. Nothing to do with ACM. You make the right moves and the red guy is dead. Does not mater how mach he is triming the thing manuly or what plane he is in. And by the way, you don;t need to know what the thing you or the red guy did is called as long as you end up on his six.

PS. maybe I'll switch sides for a night just so you can get some easy kills.

Those may be things that he doesn't have to worry about when flying a Spit, but if you fly a P-38, F6-F, F4-U, and the like, I would suggest using manual trim (elevator). You will get a lot more out of the plane if you do ... especially the P-38 IMHO.

RedTop ... Ded is right ... you don't really need to know what the manuvers are called (might be nice but not necessary) just as long as you end up on the bogey's six.

SlapShot · « **Reply #94 on:** July 29, 2004, 11:03:56 AM »

As evidence I give you the plethora of La7 drivers who have very little if any actual flying skill (knowledge of advanced acm's) but can still consistantly score some victories and often land them purely by virtue of possessing some gunnery skill and SA.

Come on Zaz ... you much too good to be whining about La-7s. Unless the likes of a Shane or Urchin are in an La-7, they are basically lunch if they stick around to fight.

There is only 1 plane that I fear and it's the Zeke. If I don't get him on the first pass, usually with a high deflection shot, and have a pocket full of E, then I am outta there pronto and try to set up again under better conditions.

Thats it !!! ... perk the Zeke ... it turns too good ... it must be uber !!!

dedalos · « **Reply #95 on:** July 29, 2004, 11:06:53 AM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Those may be things that he doesn't have to worry about when flying a Spit, but if you fly a P-38, F6-F, F4-U, and the like, I would suggest using manual trim (elevator). You will get a lot more out of the plane if you do ... especially the P-38 IMHO.

RedTop ... Ded is right ... you don't really need to know what the manuvers are called (might be nice but not necessary) just as long as you end up on the bogey's six.

True, you will get more out of the plane. The point I am trying to make is that if you make the right decisions, you will win. For example, rember a few weeks ago you shot me down 10 times in a row? If we were in 38s and I was using manual trim and had stall limiter off and you did not, you think it would have made a difference? By the way, before our fights the same moves (in a 51) had taken down 2 yacks and a spit V. Even the right moves are not always right. 50% of it is what the bad guy does. After a merge you have a split second to look back and deside what he is doing. Considering that you have already start your moves in advance, you may get in a situation where even though you started right, the bud guy did the unexpected and you are now doing the wrong thing.

PS. next time, U dead

Stang · « **Reply #96 on:** July 29, 2004, 11:11:57 AM »

Fly aggressive as hell, get down and dirty, ho every la7 tard you see, and try to fly in front of Morph's tracers every chance you get. It's a blast!!

Btw Slappy, great fight the other day!

SlapShot · « **Reply #97 on:** July 29, 2004, 11:16:57 AM »

If we were in 38s and I was using manual trim and had stall limiter off and you did not, you think it would have made a difference?

Absofugginlutly ... I kid you not. It is my experience that when flying the P-38 with combat trim on, you might as well be flhying a school bus. There are some P-38 jocks that do use Combat Trim and are very successful, but it doesn'w work for me. Under those conditions, I would believe that you would win most engagements.

I won't argue the point that making the right decisions at the merge or after, play a big part in winning the engagement, but making the plane do the things that you have decided is no small part either in winning or getting out of a bad situation.

PS. next time, U dead

~~Looking forward to it ... you and RedTop are much fun to fight with. I believe that you are Knight, so you only have a couple of days left. We should be rotating to the Knights next Tour.~~

SlapShot · « **Reply #98 on:** July 29, 2004, 11:20:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Stang
Fly aggressive as hell, get down and dirty, ho every la7 tard you see, and try to fly in front of Morph's tracers every chance you get. It's a blast!!

Btw Slappy, great fight the other day!

Yes it was !!!

I swear that we were so close and slow that I could count the rivets on that F4U-1. Got a real up close look at the flaps fully extended. Wish I had some cannons tho ... the outcome might have been different ...

Is the ground crew still trying to patch up all those 303 holes ? ... LOL

Stang · « **Reply #99 on:** July 29, 2004, 11:36:25 AM »

I counted 6 holes on my right wing, 4 on the left, 2 huge holes in my canopy and a huge crack that ran across the top of my gunsite LOL!

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #100 on:** July 29, 2004, 12:09:20 PM »

Fun fights last night, Stang, particularly that one where we both dumped 10k alt to try to merge under each other.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Steve · « **Reply #101 on:** July 29, 2004, 02:49:38 PM »

What were you doin over 10k? I'm callin bullchit!

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #102 on:** July 29, 2004, 03:19:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
What were you doin over 10k? I'm callin bullchit!

You know me. I tend to hit autoclimb and then go afk for awhile.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Stang · « **Reply #103 on:** July 30, 2004, 12:34:08 AM »

In Todd's defense, it was about a 25 mile flight to the fight... everyone else probably ran away lol.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #104 on:** July 30, 2004, 07:42:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Stang
In Todd's defense, it was about a 25 mile flight to the fight... everyone else probably ran away lol.

You know, it's funny you should mention that. I've noticed in the last few months that all of the fights I find tend to gravitate toward either the enemy's base or my own. Very few furballs seem to concentrate in the middle anymore, at least not for long.

-- Todd/Leviathn