anyone wanna learn acm's

[RedTop]

Originally posted by SLO
for one if you fight Levi or any other spit5.....take the damn AUTO TRIM OFF...and good luck with em, its the only way too learn.

and from your post you DO understand the spit5. Try alternating between Spit9 and 5, with the 9 you will be able to carry more speed into a fight, and the 5 for pure TnB enjoyment

I understand the Spit V to an extent that I cant run. I can out turn alot but not everything. Its flying it at that stall ponit so much. So yeah I understand that I suppose....What I mean by ACM is what moces are what. Whats their names. What is a split S exactly and why is it done. I saw someone ask one day..AND PLEASE..I'm not being stupid cause I truly don't know what they are called , they asked was that a double immelman...What in the world is that?

What moves are used for what?

I just fly by what I have seen. Do what I have seen a few others do. Rolling Scissors...Split S's...yadda yadda yadda...

I can loop til I auger..I can Turn til im dizzzy and have NO IDEA if that is called something. So when someone says teach me that move I say...."I yanked real hard back on the stick , gave it a hard rudder to the oppisette direction and rolled over to the right..and BOOM...he was there..See what I mean?

[Murdr]

Originally posted by SLO
here is the 1st lesson for the Noobs.

See this man(girl) Ack-Ack, in the game you will usually find him much much higher then you, see thats what we call a PERCHER....

LOL, this is kind of like the guy asking the farmer for a 'bail of hay' to cover the grass seed in his lawn while the farmer is thinking 'this is straw you idiot'.  Or the guy who goes out to bs with the crew working on his house saying 'Yea, I've laid some cement in my time', while the workers are snickering because anyone with a clue would know its 'pour concrete'.  

N00bs the common slang for this is 'Alt-Monkey'.  When they decide to come down on some poor soul who is engaged they become a 'cherry picker'.  

Oh, and here is a copy of one of the old txt files I used in AW.  If you can explain a few basics and reinforce them in the air it helps.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by RedTop
I saw someone ask one day..AND PLEASE..I'm not being stupid cause I truly don't know what they are called , they asked was that a double immelman...What in the world is that?

 

RT, click on the link in my last post

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Murdr
RedTop, been there.  Thats a key point in trying to train.  Although I could put names to manuvers, before I began to give training in AW, I only knew what worked, I didnt know why, or even think about "oh, he is doing a hi yo-yo so I will do a..."
Even without knowing the whys and hows, you should still be able to say "you shouldnt pull up when Im comming at you like that..." or something of the sort.  I had to reverse engineer to be able to explain things to someone else.  If you do ever take the time to work backwards and figure out why what you do works, it helps your own flying though.

Ok...work backwards...So basically what you are saying...If someone asks..just keep it in simple terms...

You went left and failed to read that angle..or something to that effect. I mean..honestly..I want to fly as well as guys like XJ..SLO..Wildthng,,,Drex..Slapshot....Wadke..Leviathn (he's best V guy)..The list goes on and on. AND I am gonna be flying in here for a good long time. I enjoy fighting and thats it. Building bashing is NOT my thing. Flying fast planes ie Pony 109's 190's LA's isnt my thing either as I fly my favorite WW2 Plane. Spit IX is fine and all...But its just not as much fun to me. I think Im just a simpleton maybe

Am I reading you right in how to explain backwards?

And what is Auto Trim and Combat Trim...in fact...WTH IS Trim?

Oh and JAXXO...Not meaning to Hijack either:D

[Murdr]

You got it redtop.  If you can at least point out what they are doing that is giving away position, and add "you shoulda...." it helps them avoid making the same mistake over and over.

Like I said, it works best if you have a pretty good overview in your own mind on how moves interact, but if you can at a minimum point out mistakes its a help.

[SLO]

you absolutely GOTTA learn fast planes, a good fighter uses all aspects of flight to his advantage.

the real good ones RED use a combo of BnZ, TnB and good SA.

the best do it with there eyes closed.

look for pictures of Flight Manuevers.

your good, you just need to apply Energy to your fighting skills.

soon we will get into REVERSALS

[Steve]

Wether or not they know anything is not the point, Steve. They are trying to give something back to the game they enjoy and you attempt to flame them.

flame them?  You're kidding right?

I was pokin a lil fun at Jaxxo and Slo, don't have  bad thought for either one of them.. well excpet for maybe Slo's political leanings.*




* A note for Delirium: This was poking more fun, I'll do this from now on when you are involved in a thread.*2


*2  A note to Delirium:  That was poking fun at you.  

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Steve
flame them?  You're kidding right?

Dont believe him, Ive known Steve a long time and he is cruel, mean-spirited, and ill-tempered....Oh wait!  Thats describing me not steve.  

[SLO]

Originally posted by Murdr
Dont believe him, Ive known Steve a long time and he is cruel, mean-spirited, and ill-tempered....Oh wait!  Thats describing me not steve.  

then it is my paranoia at work:(

sorry Steve I've been gettin alot a flak man:D

guess I was askin for it too, my bad

[TweetyBird]

>>I can (or I could when I flew) tell if someone was a dwee...er, newbie by a couple of things: 1) flying over 25K in a fighter, but never engaging anyone; 2) If they were killed more than once taking off from the same capped field. Oh, and 3) the dwee...er newbies always try to HO ya because to them that's the easiest way to engage in combat. The thought of actually employing ACM to merge hasn't occurred to them, yet.
<<

Only 2 has any merit, the rest is sour grapes because it made it harder for them to be killed. Yea I wish any higher plane I see was 5k lower but it don't work like that. I wish that plane didn't shoot my brains onto the winshield on a ho (aint that weird how the grey matter goes foward on a ho), but if he did, I screwed up.

2 cents, all green and yucky.

All for teaching acm, all against what people ridiculously label as dweebish. If its dweebish, kill them. If you can't well don't kill them on the board.

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by B17Skull12
I find ACM is more of a can't be taught kinda thing.  I found it to be more of a the more you die the more you learn.  No one person i think can teach ACM until teh "N00b" has a firm grip on how to do some and understands ACM.  You cant teach a "N00b" who only ho's hopw to use rudders alone.  He has to learn to use them through multiple deaths.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!

WRONG!

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by SLO
you absolutely GOTTA learn fast planes, a good fighter uses all aspects of flight to his advantage.

the real good ones RED use a combo of BnZ, TnB and good SA.

the best do it with there eyes closed.

look for pictures of Flight Manuevers.

your good, you just need to apply Energy to your fighting skills.

soon we will get into REVERSALS

>soon we will get into REVERSALS

So, how come my planes don't have reverse?

[SLO]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
>soon we will get into REVERSALS

So, how come my planes don't have reverse?

ya didn't look hard enough, its right there man.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by SLO
you absolutely GOTTA learn fast planes, a good fighter uses all aspects of flight to his advantage.

the real good ones RED use a combo of BnZ, TnB and good SA.

the best do it with there eyes closed.

look for pictures of Flight Manuevers.

your good, you just need to apply Energy to your fighting skills.

soon we will get into REVERSALS

My SA suks. But its up from being worst than suking:rofl XJ and Stang took me to DA one night along with Doolittle. They taught me how to just suk instead of whatever is worst than that as I did.

Still..what is Combat Trim and Auto Trim do for ya? What is it?

FAST Planes ...hmmm..Flew a G10 the other day with BEANS...THERES another one that I would like to be as good as. BEANS...He is a HOOOOOOT to fly with.

Anyway..I died..promptly...Compressed that thing and drove it right to what ever is on the oppisette side on Mindano. Wasnt pretty.

Fast planes are angles right? AND..arent they a plane that you have to be sort of Timid with to keep that speed up? Or is it more of..Agressive conservative with?

[WldThing]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
BZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!

WRONG!

Care to explain?

He may not totally be correct,  but in a sense he is right..  You cant teach anyone to fly like you fly,  it comes with experience..  What i have always taught was basic theory of the move that needs to be used in an engagement.  Teaching comes from preaching..