Author Topic: Ground Zero (Read 3130 times)

Gloves · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2004, 01:03:06 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
in the first place such a thing would never happen because president john kerry would not let it happen, and if it did the UN and france would come to our aid.

Finrod · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2004, 01:16:11 PM »

#1..."We came unto the place and made it a desert, this we call peace." Scipio Africanus

Thrawn · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2004, 01:16:32 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I'd nuke 'em and maybe not just their capitol. Substitute your own city for New York City and give it some honest reflection.

Exactly, the attack has to be nuclear and proportional.

streakeagle · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:05:27 PM »

My gut response is "eye for an eye"... but:

A man murders a family in some grotesque way. Do we convict this man's entire family and murder them in the same way?

We strive to punish only those responsible for crimes.

At the end of WW2, did we execute every German? or every member of the Nazi party?

If this was an act by a small INDEPENDENT group, I don't see any other recourse beyond capturing/executing those responsible.

If this was an act of war by a government, then surely we are justified in declaring war and taking the necessary actions to win with minimal losses to our side.

The question is what level of support to a small group constitutes an act of war by a supporting government?

I am glad it is not my job to decide who lives and who dies. I am sure I would consider nuking a city, maybe even push the button myself, but I would carry the guilt of knowing that the thousands or even millions that would die in such a counter-attack would only add to the tragic loss of innocent lives that already forced me to make such a decision.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:11:52 PM »

If the country from where the terrorists came from support terrorism, then nuke em.

"Support" as in, not doing a thing to prevent it.

Nilsen · « **Reply #20 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:13:51 PM »

If that nuke kills 200000 in new york... how will things be better if you kill another 200000 innocent in that other country? where is the logic? does killing 200000 more give you some pleasure?

a nuke is the only weapon that only works if left unused.

Nilsen · « **Reply #21 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:15:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
If the country from where the terrorists came from support terrorism, then nuke em.

"Support" as in, not doing a thing to prevent it.

yes. their goverment, but should the rest of their population have to take the punishment for what its goverment does?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #22 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:20:29 PM »

Please don't take this as advocacy of collateral damage, but the population is responsible for what their government does. Dictatorships and monarchies as well as democracies have been overthrown by popular uprising. If the people don't like their government, then they can overthrow it.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #23 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:21:50 PM »

If our population has to suffer thier governments support of terrorism, then yes, thier population will have to bear that same pain.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:24:54 PM »

By small and dirty, I presume you mean one of those "dirty bombs" talked about so much in the news in the past few years?

If so, nothing will dissappear in a nuclear explosion - it'll be a regular bomb detonation with uranium around it. It blows up, kills anyone in the immediate vicinity like any other explosion and some radiation (dependent on how much uranium surrounds the explosive device) will spread through the air carried by wind currents. 2,000 may get radiation poisoning if the terrorists are lucky.

Just sayin'.
-SW

Nilsen · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:25:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Please don't take this as advocacy of collateral damage, but the population is responsible for what their government does. Dictatorships and monarchies as well as democracies have been overthrown by popular uprising. If the people don't like their government, then they can overthrow it.

Then Saddam should have been removed by his own people?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:26:19 PM »

Damn straight, althought there were enough who liked him to delay the inevitable past our timetable.

Nilsen · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:27:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
If our population has to suffer thier governments support of terrorism, then yes, thier population will have to bear that same pain.

Even if that goverment was a dictatorship like i mentioned in the above post and their people could not remove that dictatorship?

Nilsen · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:29:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Damn straight, althought there were enough who liked him to delay the inevitable past our timetable.

So you did not support the invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2004, 02:31:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Damn straight, althought there were enough who liked him to delay the inevitable past our timetable.

I don't see the premise of your question.