Author Topic: p51 rounds (Read 1287 times)

68DevilM · « **on:** July 23, 2004, 08:53:02 PM »

could we please make the guns on a pony a little more lethal?

why is it thay a lanc can pummle me with its 50 cal's butt i cant even kill an ack or an m16 with the pony's guns?

JB73 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2004, 10:44:38 PM »

yeah .. lets make the pony .50's kill a 190 from 1200 yards back, just like in AH 1, because thats was the ultimate in realism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dude should a pony be able to kill a lancaster? is there a single documented observation of this????

pls let it go. 1 sortie in an unrealistic (unreal in real life) matchup, and you post askign for a change ot the ballistics of the ammo.

please learn the sreach function of the BBS, and read all about the "lazer" .50's in the past.

Hades55 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2004, 11:48:26 PM »

68 ,the 0.50s do holes.
The best you can do in one pass is to kill pilots,or take 1 or 2 ,if you are lucky,engines.
Imagine the holes of the 0.50s, and then see the *Holes* of the
explosive LW 20mm (i call them bernades) on the B17,s.

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm

*Then* lets talk about lethality

This is from the 30mm of the me-262

You get the idea

This is from a fw 20mm !!

Another 20mm

68DevilM · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2004, 01:23:26 AM »

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Originally posted by JB73
yeah .. lets make the pony .50's kill a 190 from 1200 yards back, just like in AH 1, because thats was the ultimate in realism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dude should a pony be able to kill a lancaster? is there a single documented observation of this????

pls let it go. 1 sortie in an unrealistic (unreal in real life) matchup, and you post askign for a change ot the ballistics of the ammo.

please learn the sreach function of the BBS, and read all about the "lazer" .50's in the past.

who said anything about killing lanc's??? or a 190??? hmm mabey you should wipe the confusion from you eyes and read this bb post a little better...

i said kill ack and m16's!:rolleyes: dude you got issues or something:p

p.s have you ever fired a 50 cal before? i have thier not that weak and if i can take your 190 out of the sky with my pony i should be able to kill ack with it

Hades55 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2004, 02:13:20 AM »

You Can kill ack, BUT there is Not bubble now.
You have to land your 0.50s Exactly On the ack.
Means better aim.

And yes i have fire some times with m16, rheihnmentall 20mm,
bofors 40mm.
I was also inside the crypt where the shells was landing.
You dont want these things aim on you in a war.
But its not the same on air.
Every plane is not a stable platform for whatever weapon, more,
when you shoot in a moving target.Air-Air.
When you hit in ground is more easy but again you cant concetrate your fire in 1 point. You again hit an area.

68DevilM · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2004, 03:14:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Hades55
You Can kill ack, BUT there is Not bubble now.
You have to land your 0.50s Exactly On the ack.
Means better aim.

And yes i have fire some times with m16, rheihnmentall 20mm,
bofors 40mm.
I was also inside the crypt where the shells was landing.
You dont want these things aim on you in a war.
But its not the same on air.
Every plane is not a stable platform for whatever weapon, more,
when you shoot in a moving target.Air-Air.
When you hit in ground is more easy but again you cant concetrate your fire in 1 point. You again hit an area.

ohh i know that theres no bubble anymore, and im not saying that there should be but when you have to put 2-300 rounds into an ack i think thats ridiculas, all it should take is a well aimed quick burst mabey 100 rounds

Xjazz · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2004, 04:56:16 PM »

Ok, its time to be fair. Everybody KNOWS the Fact here.

The P51 AND US.50cal win the war, so this (place it here) must get fixed a.s.a.p... Right?

BTW I want RL Tiger killer .50cal ammos too

j/k

Hades55 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2004, 11:07:48 PM »

I try to find, and i cant, the famous Tempest Attack of the Pierre Closterman and his squad in a German Air Field.
Ten (10) Tempests low angle low alt full speed dive in the field in a one
pass attack. All together in a frond.
Only 2 survived from the ack, *i remind you 1st and only Pass in a
surprise attack*. Closterman and another. Two was crashed,
six dead from the ack.

That was a typical Tempest attack, and they had 4 20mm

Hades55 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2004, 02:40:06 AM »

I was trying to find it in the web, and it was here in this bb

http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25191&highlight=closterman

quote:
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Ack! Oh my god what ack! Muzzle flashes from the 20- and 37mm guns light up the field. There must be atleast 40 of them! A carpet of white explosion clouds spreads above us. The black puffs of the 37mm burst around us in "pearl threads" of 8. What an inferno of AAA!

Physical fear is the worst pain man can suffer. My heart feels like it is jammed all the way up to my mouth, I'm soaking wet from sweating - the shameful, sticky sweat of a rebelling body. My toes clutch inside my boots.

We dive desperately deeper into the smoke of the explosions - tracers on the right - left - crossing - explode beside our wings and blind our eyes.

We are 1500 meters from the ring of the field, where people are running - altitude 50 meters. Lower for God's sake, lower! Lower lower!! For God's sake - my voice is probably hysterical.

A large grassy airfield, that is being cut by grey runways, races towards us. Our speed is 900 km/h."

<clip>

The attack is over - almost.

-Attention Filmstar planes - resume formation above the field at 10 000ft.
-Attention Pierre, this is red three. I don't think there is going to be any formation, all others have been shot down.

Impossible! I let my eyes wander all 360 degrees of the horizon, I look everywhere, also the terrible pyramid of AA-fire, that reaches above Schwerin. I don't see anyone.

13.04. The attack started at 13.03. From the end of our dive to this moment, this nightmare took 35 seconds. In that time we lost 6 planes out of 8!
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Gie · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2004, 09:10:03 AM »

In AH1 used to deack small field alone using Yak -9T (not always succesfull, but there were few good sorties ).

How modeled are acks in AH2 ? Bullets still hit you at 7.9k foot ?

68DevilM · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2004, 06:05:37 PM »

well forget about useing any kind of machine guns now on ack!!

its almost impposible for me to do it on one pass anymore, i dont even bother anymore unless my planes equipt with cannons

Hades55 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2004, 08:38:31 PM »

68, you Can do it. Put your conv to 350-400. Better aim and you
need to come more near.I usualy do it with pony and first pass.
Some times im dead, but wth, it was worst in reality

Ghosth · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2004, 07:21:40 AM »

Yak9T is a deacking machine.

Key to surviving acks is to keep jinking.
Keep your flight path changing every 2 seconds.

.50's still kill acks fine, you just have to be closer, shooting at your set convergience,
have good aim, and be willing to let a few rounds go. Your not going to do it with microbursts anymore.

The only REAL complaint I have about the acks is they should be surrounded by a sandbag emplacement makeing them MUCH more visible.

68DevilM · « **Reply #13 on:** July 26, 2004, 11:05:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Hades55
68, you Can do it. Put your conv to 350-400. Better aim and you
need to come more near.I usualy do it with pony and first pass.
Some times im dead, but wth, it was worst in reality

oooohhhh ok! ill try harder;)

my conv is allways set to max on all my planes

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:40:07 PM »

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Originally posted by 68DevilM
my conv is allways set to max on all my planes

therein lies the problem.