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Offline bloom25

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« on: July 24, 2004, 09:21:47 PM »
I've been working on a new system for myself in the few free hours I have after work.  So far so good, though I'm far from finished reinstalling everything.  Here's my $1200 machine:

CPU: Athlon 64 3200+ (Newcastle core - 512 kb L2 cache 2.2 GHz clock)

MB: Asus K8N-E Deluxe (Socket 754, nForce 3 250gB)

Ram: Corsair XMS 3200 (Cas 2) - 512 MB x 2 = 1 GB total

Video card: ATI Radeon 9800 Standard 128 MB (carry over from old system)

LAN: On board (gigabit w/ hardware firewall built into chipset)

Sound: On board (8 channel Realtek ALC850 - it's decent)

Hard Drive(s): 2x Seagate 160 GB 8 MB Serial ATA - Raid 0 64kb stripe size for approx 300 GB total storage using onboard nVidia raid controller (Do you know how long it takes to format 300 GB under Win2k...)

Case: Antec P160

PS: Antec Truepower 480W

DVD-+RW: Liteon 851S

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Windows 2000 SP4

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My first impressions of the motherboard (as it is brand new - literally only a couple weeks) is that it seems decent.  The bios does seem a bit inmature, but there isn't anything really missing.  The 8 USB 2.0 ports and 2 Firewire ports are nice.  There are 6 Serial ATA ports, all capable of RAID 0, 1, 5, 0+1, and JBOD.  Performance of the nVidia raid controller is good, I'm getting 82 MB per second from these Seagate drives.  If I wanted to live with the noise of a WD Raptor it would be higher.  This board also has gigabit ethernet and 8 channel sound w coax and optical outputs onboard.

About the only issues I had was that the system is VERY picky about memory.  To get the system stable with 2 512 MB sticks of memory I had to run timings of 2,3,3,8 2T, which gives a memory bandwidth of about 2900 MB/s.  With one stick I can run 2,3,2,6 1T, which gave a score of about 3050 MB/s.  

(Remember that socket 754 Athlon 64s are single channel memory.  If I had time to wait for a socket 939 dual channel board then I would have been able to run the faster timings, as there would have only been 1 memory stick per channel.  Unfortunately I had to build this system by the end of this month.)

I really like the Antec P160 case.  It's light (aluminum) and easy to work with.  It's also very quiet.  (The rear fan is on rubber pads, as are the hard drives.)  Turning on AMD's Cool and Quiet feature in the bios and installing the driver to allow the CPU to dynamically change its clockspeed makes the system virtually silent for normal work (as the CPU throttles to 1 GHz when idle and the CPU fan slows way down).  This seems to work very well.  The clock speed immediately goes to 2210 MHz as soon as you do anything. (The only issue I've had with this is that SiSoft Sandra gets confused on the CPU tests and reports low scores unless you set the Cool and Quiet mode to "max performance".)

My first 3dMark 2001 run (with the carry over Radeon 9800 standard 128 MB card) gave a score of 18254, which is over 4000 points higher than my old system with the same card.  I'm sure the score with a faster video card would be much higher.

The system itself feels extremely fast and boots Windows 2000 in about 30 seconds.  (That's including the time it takes to initialize the raid array.)  My biggest surprise was just how quiet the system is, even with 2 hard drives.  That's mainly due to the Antec case and Truepower powersupply.  They are both designed to be quiet.  Add in AMD's Cool and Quiet dynamic CPU clock and fan speed adjustments and the loudest component in the system is the video card when the system is idle.  Noise and heat are definately big advantages of AMD over Intel right now.  The Prescott P4 systems I've worked with are anything but cool and quiet.

Basically I'd say once Asus gets a few more bios revisions out for this board, which hopefully will improve DDR400 memory compatibility and ease of use, I would have no hesitation in recommending it.  Right now I think an experienced builder wouldn't have any issues with it, but a beginner would probably get confused about all the things you need to change in the bios before installing Windows to get good performance.

Offline XtrmeJ

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2004, 09:25:02 PM »
Lookin good bud. But isnt the 3200 64bit not a socket 754?

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2004, 09:29:32 PM »
Nevermind. Was thinking of the FX series 940 socket. :p

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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2004, 11:40:09 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2004, 02:44:39 PM »
Woow Bloom, thats almost the exact same system I am having my local pc-shop build for me!
But im settling for the Athlon 64 3000+ (Newcastle core)
and the video card will be a FX5700 256MB
Antec Sonata case with Antec Truepower 380W
And I have asked for the Asus K8N-E Deluxe mobo

I see u are having some problems with mem on the mobo, do u think its a bad choice for me? I have given them the MSI K8N Neo-Platinum mobo as a second choice, should I tell them to go with that instead?

And is the 380w PS enuff for this system?

Offline bloom25

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2004, 05:22:06 PM »
I wouldn't say the board has memory compatibility problems, but rather that it's picky about having quality memory if you want to tweak with the memory timings.

I think if you just planned to run the memory at default timings there wouldn't be any issues.

Personally, I'd take an Asus board over an MSI board based on past experiences with both.  I've heard the MSI board is picky on memory as well.

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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2004, 08:22:40 PM »
I had to buy new memory for my Socket 939 Athlon 64 to get full DDR 400. Seems picky about mem latency/timings to get DDR400.
Ended up with Corsair XMS DDR400LL.
Mem transfers in excess of 5Gb/s in dual channel mode.
Using an ASUS A8V board.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2004, 03:30:36 AM »
I really liked the Asus P4C board when I built my brother's computer and have decided to go with Asus for my system:

Athlon64 3500+
Asus A8V Deluxe
Crucial 2x512 DDR400 CAS2 RAM
Sapphire Radeon 800XT Pro
WD 120GB SATA HD
Antec Case from old Athlon system
430W Antec Truepower PSU
3COM Wireless ADSL Router/Modem

What's the A8V like, Kev? I'm not going to build it until I have some more time in a couple of months, so will probably be able to afford the Platinum Radeon or improved CPU by then. Ought to beat my 1.2 GHz Athlon with GeForce2 card!
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2004, 08:50:20 PM »
How do you guys measure memory bandwidth?  I use the MEMTEST boot floppy program.  It shows only 2.2 GB/sec for my Intel 865PERL MB, P4 2.8C, 400DDR dual channel 2-3-2-6 system (which seems quite low compared to what you guys quote).

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2004, 10:38:35 PM »
Memtest 86 seems to not properly calculate memory bandwidth on Athlon 64s and dual channel chipsets.  The number it gives is basically 1/2 of what the true value is.

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2004, 11:40:45 PM »
Thanks.  That makes me feel better :)

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2004, 06:34:16 PM »
Dowding - A8V is a nice baord, mine came with a WiFi 802.11g card. Yup, it should annihilate your present setup. If you are thinking of dual booting with XP64 I would recommend an nVidia card. ATI XP64 drivers are still beta. Looking at benchmarks anyway, unless your playing very very high rez with AA etc on, there's nothing between the X800 and 6800. Plus always reckoned nVidia drivers always seem to be more mature and stable. Just got my ATI as it is a roll over from my previous system.
Will be changing to 6800 as soon as the bank manager has recovered from my last spending spree, lol.

715- Bandwidth is a measure of theoretical max vs latency. AMD64s with almost 0 latency have very close to max theoretical level memory bandwidth. Something the P4s can't even come close to.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2004, 04:16:59 AM »
The Wifi is built into the m'board isn't it? I'm going to go with the XFX 6800 GT 256 I think - the 6800 Ultra is really poor value and the ATI 800XT Platinum is both poor value and doesn't support the new shader technology. The 800XT Pro is good value, but is beaten by the 6800 GT benchmarks I have seen.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2004, 11:26:18 AM »
Wifi on the A8V is a seperate PCI card.
Totally agree with your comments on the x800 vs 6800.
People will say, but there aren't any games that use shader 3 - but there will be!!!
Funnily enough I was looking at the 6800GT 256Mb also, good value for $399.
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2004, 06:49:02 AM »
Bloom,

Just wondering how the onboard Audio sounds and performs in comparison to Soundstorm on the Nforce 2 boards?