Outnumbered by Rooks...again

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bla bla bla just kill the rooks.

love it when they think they are uber

[Steve]

It was recommended to me that due to past expierences by others, I report/send the pictures to HTC, as I said earlier I did not do this.

By all means, send them in. Don't forget to tell your mommy too.

How did we actually get into a merge?  Did you dive down from 22k?

 

If you SIR have a problem with the manner in which I conduct myself within AH, or a problem with the manner in which I fly in AH......

Well, I get bemused that people feel the need to fly at 22k and HO on the first merge.  I'm sure I was frustrated that I finally got someone to merge w/ me and they went straight to the HO. I've come to expect it though.  The days when people learned ACM and actually developed virtual pilot skills seem to be past us, with some pleasant  exceptions.

It would probably be a bad idea on your part to do so
again.

Or what?  Are you going to tell your mommy again?
I don't know you, but I don't bother to get to know tards like you that never bother to become a challenge to fight in the game.  You do what you feel you need to do.  Should I expect a call from your school principal as well?

[Steve]

love it when they think they are uber

Bug, I respectfully disagree w/ Jamusta's (nuttin personal Jamusta, sir,  just that my opinion varies from yours) view of bish and of those who think that the rooks are somehow superior.  Yes, I understand the rooks have a higher K/D than the other teams but my fairly extensive experience in the MA tells me that all 3 sides are pretty much equal.  Aall 3 sides have their share of good pilots, dweebs, noobs, and my favorite: guys that are fun to fly with because they are fun to be around.

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by Murdr
I agree with the other stuff you said, but this part, where do you fly? HTH? LOL on these small maps there is almost always some high la7 or pee51 looking to drop 15k on the first red dar dot they see.  Which in turn either corrals ya into his 10 buddies, or ties you up long enough for his buddies to come to you.  All it takes is to engage 1v1 and if it lasts for more that a few turns, you're bait for every cherry picking plane in the sector.

Well, true to a point, but isn't flying from a farther, healthier, base the SOP? This is *usually* the cherry picker's worst enemy. It doesn't always work, but it provides better chances.

IMO, I never uderstood why you could always find certain players at 30k+. I like flying both high and low. Ilike fighting high, it's usually enough room for a good long fight.

I also never understood why most players tend to think that every fight should be as even as a duel.

Alt and E are the preferred when engaging a target. Everyone wants the alt advantage, pretty common sense suff, yet if they don't have it they scream alt monkey. I always saw that as like an oximoron, or catch 22.

In AW I used to fly 20-30 plane missions to 30k+, over and around all furballs to the heart of that country, all the main facs. Usually 4 B17s surrounded by P-51s, Spit IXs, and P-38s. It would take almost the whole map to get everyone up there and too targets at a safe alt. More often then not these were 45 min. to hour runs. As boring as that sounds it was a great time, and more often then not 90% of the 17s landed their bombing points.

I guess what I'm blabbing is that everyone wants that instant fight, it's that way of thinking that a cherry picker loves. He took the time to get up there and he's going to use it to his advantage whether you like it or not. it's one of those, if the shoe was on the other foot things. It's cheap to make a living out of cherry picking though.

Take some time, get 10 squadies up to 30k and clear the cherry pickers out. When they get tired of losing their ars after all that time of climbing they'll come down. I always waited for them to come down to me anyways. They have too if they want me.

If these small arenas maps are too crowded then maybe a second MA should be considered. I think the big maps are great for events etc... but I always preferred the smaller muliple arena setup.

But IMO you really cannot tamper with the population of sides itself. In a way, it's like a biosphere, tamper with one thing and the whole thing goes to crap.

there is no real *easy* answer.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Steve
By all means, send them in. Don't forget to tell your mommy too.

How did we actually get into a merge?  Did you dive down from 22k?

 





Well, I get bemused that people feel the need to fly at 22k and HO on the first merge.  I'm sure I was frustrated that I finally got someone to merge w/ me and they went straight to the HO. I've come to expect it though.  The days when people learned ACM and actually developed virtual pilot skills seem to be past us, with some pleasant  exceptions.
 



Or what?  Are you going to tell your mommy again?
I don't know you, but I don't bother to get to know tards like you that never bother to become a challenge to fight in the game.  You do what you feel you need to do.  Should I expect a call from your school principal as well?

LOLROF  You dove on me from the sea on our first merge LOL   AND YOU reversed and came back at me!!! and I guess you didn't read my post all the way through did you LOL

I was down low tryin to help a countryman against 3 of your countrymen in a 2 v 3 and was pulling up for another go at em and here you came in a high speed dive in your bright shiny PEE 51 from over the sea LOL

Anytime anyone comes at me HEAD ON straight and level I'm gonna give em some ammo!!!  Hey don't want em to run out  Hope they don't mind too much if the ammo is somewhat used

OH and hey I'm not real fond of the HO:D  

In fact I prefer good acm to it but

So many use it and what are ya gonna do???

So when you come at me nose on I will do my best even if I lose to take you with me in a HO

I was rather slow from pullin up seeing you comin in at high speed and the rolling and turning to avoiding your 1st pass.

I could not have caught you.  About all I could do at the time was turn towards you and start tryin to get more speed.  

Hey thought I was in some trouble from a high speed pony and was callin myself names for gettin caught low and slow again.  

You got hit in our second merge and it was you that choose the approach when you had seperation and speed.  I remember it very well!!!!  
Wouldn't have if I hadn't gotten the cursing on private.  

I was amazed it was you, as I had heard you were a fairly good stick, but from the way you flew that attack.  

You reversed with a fairly flat turn and came right back at me!  Straight and level, coalt, and nose on.  

This when you had speed and could have looped back and easily had alt on me!!!!!!!!! LOL

And then You had the nerve to come on private, curse me, and then accuse me of ho'n you when you had the advantage and did what you did LMAO
 
 As to NOT WANTING to get to know me????

GOOD!!!!!!!  From the attitude you have displayed so far don't believe I wanna know you.

Might wanna reread my post as to why I didn't do anything about the cursing and perhaps think about it some.  We were all abit frustrated back then.

[Hyrax81st]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
...Alt and E are the preferred when engaging a target. Everyone wants the alt advantage, pretty common sense suff, yet if they don't have it they scream alt monkey. I always saw that as like an oximoron, or catch 22...
...Take some time, get 10 squadies up to 30k and clear the cherry pickers out. When they get tired of losing their ars after all that time of climbing they'll come down...

Good stuff. Common Sense.

WWII pilots became Aces (and lived to tell about it) because they sought advantage, not fairness. 2 on 1's, cherrypicking, vulching... that's the stuff of real war - if you are doing it right. The other great point you illustrate is that you start with the highest enemy con and work down. Flyers who T&B on the deck when high enemy cons are in the vicinity are going to have a short shelf life.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Hyrax81st
Good stuff. Common Sense.

WWII pilots became Aces (and lived to tell about it) because they sought advantage, not fairness. 2 on 1's, cherrypicking, vulching... that's the stuff of real war - if you are doing it right. The other great point you illustrate is that you start with the highest enemy con and work down. Flyers who T&B on the deck when high enemy cons are in the vicinity are going to have a short shelf life.

Yup, exactly correct. I always use the top down approach to fighting. My typical sortie may start at 18k and end on the deck. By the time i fight my way down to the deck I've gotten four or five kills. The top down approach to air combat is fundamental. If you're low and slow with enemy lurking above you you're just a cherry begging and pleading to be picked like the ripe fruit you are...

Zazen

[SlapShot]

If you're low and slow with enemy lurking above you you're just a cherry begging and pleading to be picked like the ripe fruit you are...

Some of us refer to this as the Venus Fly Trap Maneuver ...

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by SlapShot
If you're low and slow with enemy lurking above you you're just a cherry begging and pleading to be picked like the ripe fruit you are...

Some of us refer to this as the Venus Fly Trap Maneuver ...

Heh, ok, that's really cute, I'll let this one slide.


Slappy

Zaz:aok

[mars01]

Heh, ok, that's really cute, I'll let this one slide.

Why would you have to let it slide.  If your any good at reversals you would understand that the alt advantage can always be countered by a smart pilot.

Alt is only an advantage against a noob.  Wldthing has proven this many times in many of his films.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by mars01
Why would you have to let it slide.  If your any good at reversals you would understand that the alt advantage can always be countered by a smart pilot.

Alt is only an advantage against a noob.  Wldthing has proven this many times in many of his films.

This assumes tha the higher plane is piloted by someone who doesn't know how to use his altitude advantage.

Given pilots of equal skill, the guy with the altitude always has the advantage.

My regards,

Widewing

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
Why would you have to let it slide.  If your any good at reversals you would understand that the alt advantage can always be countered by a smart pilot.

Alt is only an advantage against a noob.  Wldthing has proven this many times in many of his films.

I agree with that in most situations, but I have killed my fair share of great pilots from above and far more than my share of the not so great ones . If my aim and prediction of their manuevers is better than their ability to counter, they're dead. I can count the number of times on one hand I have attacked from above and gotten killed by my intended victim. The last time was by Shane in his Lgay7 about 2 months ago and it was close, I pinged the crap out of him in wild rolling scissors before I overshot and he got me. Before that was about 4 months ago by Greebo in his F6, again he forced the overshoot and got me in a snapshot. So, it took two guys who are the master of one plane they fly exclusively, and probably two of the top ten pilots overall in the game. Your average schmo has no chance.

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
Assuming two pilots with eqaul skill, your saying that the pilot without the altitude will always die?

The pilot without altitude would be doing well to force a stalemate. Unless the pilot with the altitude blows his E badly forcing angles too aggressively he should not die to the lower opponent. If the higher opponent knows how to use his E/Alt advantage being forced into a co-E/Co-Alt stalemate is about the best the lower enemy could expect. Obviously, with the plane match-ups we have it's never inconceivable the lower guy wins occassionally, but if I were a betting man (I am) , my money's on the guy with altitude 9 outta 10 times.

Zazen

[mars01]

I guess what I am trying to say is Alt is an advantage but does not hold as much weight as everyone thinks.

A skilled pilot on the deck is just as dangerous as a skilled pilot with alt.

Zazen, I can say that I have had many a great pilot dive from above that couldn't get the shot and either moved on or sooner or later ended up co-alt and in fight not a cherry pick.

When you have two equally skilled pilots it comes down to the one who makes the first mistake rather than who has the alt advantage.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by mars01
I guess what I am trying to say is Alt is an advantage but does not hold as much weight as everyone thinks.

A skilled pilot on the deck is just as dangerous as a skilled pilot with alt.

Zazen, I can say that I have had many a great pilot dive from above that couldn't get the shot and either moved on or sooner or later ended up co-alt and in fight not a cherry pick.

Yup, as I said in the post above. That's about the best the lower guy can expect against someone good with his altitude. Equalizing the E states is a total victory for the lower guy.

Zazen