Amount of Ki84s actually made

[Karnak]

388mph was the speed attained by the first prototype powered by a 1900hp engine.  The second prototype, with some changes, attained 392mph with the same engine.

There are no surviving Japanese test documents for the 1990hp production model with cleaned up details.

[Sikboy]

I think it would all depend on the corelation between speed and alt. If the Hayate is fast on the deck, it'll be a monster. Otherwise, it'll simply draw some players away from the Spit and N1k2. I imagine it'll be a top 5 plane in the MA, but will by no means "replace" the La-7, Spit and N1K2.

-Sik

[Edbert]

The Warbirds version of it was pretty dominant, there'd be a bunch of em in the MA, and it may reduce the overall percentage of La7/N1K/Spit9s we see but certainly not replace them all.

[slimm50]

Originally posted by xBarrelx
The Ki-84 Hayate was a good plane. Built to replace the Ki-43, the first prototype was built in '43. By the end of '44 1,670 were built. Considering that production started in April of '44, I'd say that is mass production. The numbers I find are that 3,382 aircraft, excluding pre-series and service trials aircraft, were built.  I also find that all models were powered by a 2,000 hp Ha-45 (type 4) engine giving it a top speed of 388 mph at just over 21k. Good rook plane . I'd like to see it added eventually.

Ki-84-I-Ko--2 20mm and 2 12.7mm
Ki-84-I-Otsu--4 20mm and 2 12.7mm
Ki-84-I-Hei--2 30mm and 2 20mm--this plane was a specialized buff interceptor but very few were built

Climb rate was 3,790 ft/min and max range was 1,025 miles.

Please feel free to correct any errors.

The only problem with it is that in rl it was was very unreliable due to lack of materials and poor workmanship in general. Pilots never knew how their rides would perform, or if it would even run, from day to day.

[storch]

Originally posted by slimm50
The only problem with it is that in rl it was was very unreliable due to lack of materials and poor workmanship in general. Pilots never knew how their rides would perform, or if it would even run, from day to day.

It would still be a welcome addition to us IJF afficionados.  The Japanese plane set is woefully deficient.  IL-2 will soon release it's excellent Pac set AH should be ready to counter.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by slimm50
The only problem with it is that in rl it was was very unreliable due to lack of materials and poor workmanship in general. Pilots never knew how their rides would perform, or if it would even run, from day to day.

That is made up for by always getting a mediocre Ki-84 that has an engine that only puts out 1900hp and loses power faster as altitude increases.

The production Ki-84 could certainly do over 410mph and probably over 420mph at 20,000ft.  However, the only Japanese data available is from the first two prototypes with a greatly inferior engine and that is what gets put into sims.

[rod367th]

http://www.tgplanes.com/planfile.asp?idplane=94


below is aces from each country

http://www.tgplanes.com/pilots.asp

[DieAz]

I'd rather see the Oscar in AH.

[NUTTZ]

I have been waiting for the Ki-84 since tour 1...
HTC doesn't put planes in because of production numbers, But I would agree production numbers make a good arguement on what plane types should be in the game. That is just MY opinion!
The cannon armed f4u was limited to under 40???

RAS from AW got me addicted to the Ki-84. (Some Pinhead named "Fidel" taught me to perfect my skills in it) THAT was my primary plane then the 110, and the A-26. In AH the 110 is my main ride 99% of the time. Soon as the Ki-84 gets here, I'll park my 110 in the hanger so all the Rooks and Knights can keeps her polished and ready at all times.

NUTTZ
P.S. HiTech I nowhere asked WHEN?

Originally posted by Karnak
There were 3,514 Ki-84's built.

About 3,000 wer Ki-84-I-Ko (two 20mm and two 12.7mm) and about 500 were Ki-84-I-Otsu (four 20mm)

It seems that none of the two 20mm and two 30mm armed Ki-84s made it into service and only a few may have been built.


EDIT:

By comparison there were 410 N1K2-Js built and just 275 C.205s built.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Karnak
Ki-84-I-Ko = freebie aircraft with a low ENY.

Ki-84-I-Otsu = perk aircraft for about 10 perk points

got my vote!  but raise the Ki-84-I-Otsu perk value to 15 or 20..

[Karnak]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
got my vote!  but raise the Ki-84-I-Otsu perk value to 15 or 20..

The only change was removing the two 12.7mm Ho-103 machine guns and their 700 rounds from the cowl and putting two 20mm Ho-5 cannon with 150 rounds each in the same space.

It doesn't justify that much of a price increase.

Also, I was matching it against the F4U-1C.

[Canaris]

If the ki84 is put in it should be more than the the f4u4 and maybe the spit 14.

Ki84 got better guns and speed comparable to the f4u4 and spit 14.

I would rather see the ki 84 be perked a little above the spit 14.  The ki84 is definately better than the spit 14 and comparable to the tempest.

Canaris

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Canaris
The ki84 is definately better than the spit 14 and comparable to the tempest.

Canaris

I dissagree (Circle gets the square)

-Sik

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Canaris
If the ki84 is put in it should be more than the the f4u4 and maybe the spit 14.

Ki84 got better guns and speed comparable to the f4u4 and spit 14.

I would rather see the ki 84 be perked a little above the spit 14.  The ki84 is definately better than the spit 14 and comparable to the tempest.

Canaris

That's laughable.

It has two Ho-5 20mm cannon with 150 rounds each, one in each wing.

It has two Ho-103 12.7mm machine guns each with 350 rounds mounted in the cowl.

If you want to play around with these guns in AH, fly the Ki-61-I-Tei that we have now.  It is the same exact gun package, except the machine guns and cannons are reversed in position and the Ki-61 carries less ammo.

You'll find that the two Hispano Mk II 20mm cannon and two 50 caliber Browning machine guns on the Spitfire Mk XIV are superior in both striking power and ease of attaining hits.  The six 50 caliber Browning machine guns on the F4U-4 may not hit quite as hard, but they are far easier to hit with.

Maximum Speed Using WEP at Sea Level:

Ki-84-1-Ko:  ~350mph (guesstimate, it could be anywhere from 320mph to 365mph)
Spitfire Mk XIV: 358mph
F4U-4: 378mph

Best Speed at Best Altitude Using WEP:
Ki-84-I-Ko: 392mph (there is a very small outside chance that it might be as high as 420mph)
Spitfire Mk XIV: 448mph
F4U-4: 445mph

Turning Performance:
Ki-84-I-Ko: About like a Spitfire Mk IX, but with a vicious unannounced stall.
Spitfire Mk XIV: Better than a Spitfire Mk IX to the left, worse to the right.
F4U-4: About the same as the F4U-1D.

Climb Rate:
Ki-84-I-Ko: 3,750fpm
Spitfire Mk XIV: Greater than 4,500fpm
F4U-4: Greater than 4,000fpm

(Note: Climb rate is a good indicator of acceleration)

High Speed Handling:
Ki-84-I-Ko: Ailerons become very heavy.  Elevators compress.
Spitfire Mk XIV: Ailerons become heavy.  Elevators remain light and responsive.
F4U-4: Ailerons and elevators remain responsive.  Exceptional roll rate.


There is no way you can seriously claim the Ki-84 is better than the Spitfire MK XIV and F4U-4.

[Canaris]

If the Ki 84 is put in with the 4x20mms or the Ki 84 with 2x30mms and 2x20mms it will surely be better than the f4u4 and spit 14.

Those two Ki84s have guns comparable to the tempest and speed pretty close.  The Ki 84 is much better plane compared to the f4u4 in turning wise.  

The ki 84 is better turner than the spit 14, i easily out turn spit 14s with my 38 which proves spit 14 cant turn as well as a spit 9.  Spit 9s are more of a challange for my 38.  The spit 14 handles more like a pony.  So the Ki 84 definately turns better than the spit 14 and has better guns but speed is comparable.

Canaris