Planned Parenthood has a new fashionline....

[lazs2]

so dred... conversly... you would agree that women should have no right to vote on things that do not concern them like... crime?

lazs

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by lazs2
so dred... conversly... you would agree that women should have no right to vote on things that do not concern them like... crime?

lazs

Either you have been up all night. or you just woke up LOL
Have a couple cups of coffee and rethink that question:)

[Eagler]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
A wise man once said
"There is no true right or wrong really.
It is only a common way of thinking that makes it so"

and thus the problem with today's mindset with just about everything ...

newsflash - there is a right and wrong to everything just as there is a day and a night

[Trell]

Originally posted by Eagler
and thus the problem with today's mindset with just about everything ...

newsflash - there is a right and wrong to everything just as there is a day and a night

So whos right or wrong do we folow?

the religous right?  the arab right?  buddest right?  maybe what the gays think is right,

Nothin is ever as clear cut as black and white.

You ask a diverse groupe of people what they think are right and wrong and you will have a large number of different answers.    Finding common morals is allmost inpossible

[lazs2]

ok dred.. I'll make it easier on ya..  certainly men have a lot more to do with preganancy than women do with violent and sexual crimes.. or, crimes in general.   Since women have no understanding of the people who commit crimes we cerrtainly do not want them making decisions on how to deal with em.

lazs

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by Trell
So whos right or wrong do we folow?

the religous right?  the arab right?  buddest right?  maybe what the gays think is right,

Nothin is ever as clear cut as black and white.

You ask a diverse groupe of people what they think are right and wrong and you will have a large number of different answers.    Finding common morals is allmost inpossible

I disagree.  Many of the same morals/ethics are found in the Bible, Torrah, and Koran.

Right and wrong are clear in just about every situation I can think of... Im not sure why some people see so much grey in everything.  I think its because they choose to see it in an attempt to justify their own behavior.

[phookat]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I disagree.  Many of the same morals/ethics are found in the Bible, Torrah, and Koran.

And yet there are differences, especially when considering eastern religions as well.  For example, western faiths seem to place great importance in the rightness of conversion or the spreading of their faith...while eastern faiths are very much the opposite.

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Right and wrong are clear in just about every situation I can think of... Im not sure why some people see so much grey in everything.  I think its because they choose to see it in an attempt to justify their own behavior.

Perhaps, but as a secualr state I think that anything beyond "A shouldn't hurt B" should not be enforced by law.  Once you get into religiously-defined right or wrong, you extend the government's power too far.  Religion says "no sex before marriage"...should we enforce that one by law?

[narsus]

ding ding

Saurdaukar hit the nail on the head.

I am not religious at all, don't believe in religion nor god. People bend, twist and turn ideas so it makes them seem right. This goes for pretty much everyone right, left, non-religious or religious. People cater things to there beliefs and morals, it is the way it has always been and wont be changing at all.

So everyone save your selves the grieve and stop beating the same horse over and over, peoples view point will "rarely" change.

[phookat]

Here are a couple more examples.  "Thou shall not kill."  OK what about soldiers, then?  Would you call them immoral?

How about "Turn the other cheek"?  If terrorists attack the WTC, we should do nothing?  Hey terrorists, here's the Sears Tower, try that one for size!

Point is, morals are not absolute.  Moral codes are different between cultures and even between individuals.  And between planets too, if there is intelligent life outside Earth.

Fortunately, in the US at least we live in a secular country which respects those differences, and separates church from state.

[phookat]

Originally posted by narsus
I am not religious at all, don't believe in religion nor god.

Maybe you can answer this one.  I ask this as a question, not a challenge.  What is the basis for morality in the absence of the supernatural and the afterlife?  Answer for both societal morality and individual morality.

[phookat]

Baptists say don't drink.  Catholics say drink.  Who's right?  Who's wrong?  What's the absolute morally correct answer?

[SOB]

[Trell]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I disagree.  Many of the same morals/ethics are found in the Bible, Torrah, and Koran.

Right and wrong are clear in just about every situation I can think of... Im not sure why some people see so much grey in everything.  I think its because they choose to see it in an attempt to justify their own behavior.

You missed the part about asking a large divirse grouple of people.

I really dont care what the what is found in the bible and other books,  they are just books to Me.

morality is about what the people think is right or wrong, not what a book or a paster in a church preach.


just from this board we have different opions on what is moral and what is immoral..  on what is right and what is wrong.

[narsus]

Simply put phookat.

I personally don't like seeing other's in pain so to speak or unhappy. If someone has a problem I help the best I can. Murder, rape, assault cause people pain. I don't fight...I have never been in one talked my way out of close ones. I try my best not to hurt people physically or emotionally, if I do for instance say something that has offended someone I apologize and not bring it up again, etc. I am easy going and things usually don't bother me much. I have plenty of friends and no enemy's I live my life well I think, not because of what a book tells me or the law just what I feel I think I should do.

I think I should be responsible for my own actions, if I smack into the back of someones car I will pay for the damage and hospital expenses.

If I get a girl pregnant, I will support the child to the best of my ability...(I do not want children of my own to be honest). But I would still support the child I take as many precautions as possible to insure this situation doesn't occur. If it does I will take responsibility.

I like guns for recreation and the skill to use one, I know I will never use one in anger....nuff said.

I also am not a big fan of large government, I don't need politicians telling me how to think or what I should do. I do just fine on my own.

Sorry about the broken response I am at work and quite BZ.

[phookat]

Originally posted by narsus
Simply put phookat.

I feel the same way as you do for the most part, but this doesn't answer the question.  In the absence of the supernatural, is there any basis for defining "right" and "wrong", as anything different from what I feel like doing or what I don't?

I had this discussion with a friend a while back, since he brought up a couple philosophers who were supposedly able to come up with such a thing (forgot the names).  The conclusion we came to was that, in the absense of the supernatural, you can't define morals at the individual level, but you can for the society.  I've forgotten exactly what reasoning was behind that but maybe if I think about it some more I will come up with it.