Author Topic: F6F: Weak tail? (Read 864 times)

Jasta · « **on:** July 26, 2004, 09:01:44 PM »

Ive noticed that 99.9% of the time when I die, my tail comes off. I dont know if people are always aiming for it or what, but ive noticed this the most in Patch 6. The tail always seems to be the first thing to go, and it negates the sturdy qualities of the Hellcat for me.

Anyone else notice this? Am I dreaming? or do people just aim for the tail?

Fruda · « **Reply #1 on:** July 26, 2004, 09:18:54 PM »

I've flown the F6F fairly often since patch 6, and my tail hasn't come off yet. I'd just say that you have bad luck.

Edbert · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2004, 09:01:06 AM »

I don't know about the tail but the Hellcat does seem a little fragile compared to its historical reputation. Conversely the Yak seems to be VERY tough in AH, I didn't know they were so much like the Il2.

Greebo · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2004, 12:46:28 PM »

I believe the real F6F suffered a few tailplane failures in high G manouevres, not sure if that was just the F6F-3 though. I've not really noticed this in AH though, most common damage seems to be to guns, oil or pilot wounds. The latter may be down to me raising the seat position, not sure if the damage model accounts for head position. I tend to lose wingtips more than tails.

Wadke · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2004, 12:56:32 PM »

I very much agree that the tail seems alot weaker.....i have flown the hellcat since i started playing this game and 99% of the time i die it is from my tail popping off from a few rounds of 20mm

kinda beat up eh? (Edward "Butch" O'Hare's F6F after being shot up by 20mm from A6M)

jamusta · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2004, 02:23:25 PM »

When coming to a complete stop after landing in f6f, if my tail is off the ground when it touches down it bounces and breaks off every time. Then it tips up on its nose. The tail only has to be off the ground a little for this to occur.

simshell · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2004, 03:00:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Wadke
I very much agree that the tail seems alot weaker.....i have flown the hellcat since i started playing this game and 99% of the time i die it is from my tail popping off from a few rounds of 20mm

kinda beat up eh? (Edward "Butch" O'Hare's F6F after being shot up by 20mm from A6M)

a few rounds of 20mm is all it takes most of the time to rip anyones tail off in a fighter

Soulyss · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2004, 04:37:19 PM »

Overall I consider the F6F to be very rugged in AH2, it's a rare thing for me to land without some sort damage or holes in my plane (even rarer than landing in the first place). The one weak spot on the plane (relatively speaking) is the tail... With the nose bounce bug the tail would shear off nearly every time. I'm currently running the AHtest version and the nose bounce seems to be gone but even now if I step on the brakes too hard the tail will often times snap off when the end comes down.... seems like it's a bug still, I dunno if that is affecting the whole damage model, or if there is even a bug in the damage model or if this is how HTC intended it to be. I suppose the only thing to do is discuss it here like we're doing, sooner or later someone at HTC will happen upon the thread and look into it further and making any changes nessesary in a fiuture patch.

Fruda · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2004, 06:33:21 PM »

I can understand taking that much damage from a Zero's 20mm cannon. The ballistics on it are terrible.

I've taken a lot of damage in an F6F, and still managed to land safely, even after being shot to hell by an La-7.

Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2004, 06:57:44 PM »

I'd bet those were not 20mm hits. More likely to be 12.7mm hits from an IJAAF fighter or 13mm hits from an A6M5b or A6M5c.

Jasta · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2004, 07:03:35 PM »

Ive had my tail pop off from a few rounds from 51s, Lalas, Spits, hurricanes, everything.

Tail always seems to go first for me.

Central · « **Reply #11 on:** July 27, 2004, 07:11:10 PM »

math?

Edbert · « **Reply #12 on:** July 27, 2004, 07:27:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
I'd bet those were not 20mm hits. More likely to be 12.7mm hits from an IJAAF fighter or 13mm hits from an A6M5b or A6M5c.

The holes look far too big for either of those, and there seem to be burn marks on the perimeter like a HE round would leave, could they have been incendiary rounds? But I agree they look awfully small for a 20mm.

You know what the picture reminds me of is IL2/FB/AEP. I always thought the level of damage required to down a plane in IL2 was too high, AH just "felt" right to me. One good long solid burts from almost any plane would cripple almost any plane (obvious exceptions notwithstanding). But looking at that F6f makes me wonder.

Fruda · « **Reply #13 on:** July 27, 2004, 09:10:03 PM »

Those were probably long shots on that F6F. As you know, the ballistics on the A6M2's 20mm were horrible, so if a long shot actually hit, it wouldn't do much damage.

Urchin · « **Reply #14 on:** July 27, 2004, 10:13:00 PM »

One round from a Mark 10H will knock the vert stab off any plane in the game, or both horizontal stabs (take your pick). Since a good 50% of the planes flying around in the MA are equipped with the Mk10H... a lot of "tough" planes seem to have weak tails.