Ju-52 vs ME-232

[Raptor]

Which would be a better transport?

Ju-52 was more reliable and produced in larger numbers. Also more forgiving in combat.

ME-232 was Larger, required 6 engines to take off on its own. More Cargo room yet clumsy and a easy target for fighters, even with 4 20mm guns for defense

[artik]

Ju-52 - we defenetly need LW troops plane - like C-47 - also it was slightly defended with 3x7mm guns so it would be better ride to bring troops......

Also it was produced in very high numbers

[hogenbor]

Wasn't the 232 the glider and the 323 the motorized variant? Too lazy to look it up.

Compared to it's allied counterpart, the Ju-52 is based on much older methods of aircraft construction, dating back I believe to WWI even, when Junkers pioneered corrugated aluminium aircraft. In contrast the C-47 is state of the art for its time with stressed skin construction throughout. It is of course faster too. But still, the Ju-52 is historically highly significant and a cool plane to see. Still, it would only be an LW alternative to the C-47 and just as vulnerable.

The Me-232/323 is just steel tubing with canvas, I can imagine breaking it up with only the slightest amount of 'G' being applied. It would be able to haul tanks and troops ans whatnot, but don't we have spawnpoints for that? Maybe nice in highly specialized scenario's but still they would be sitting ducks, 20mm or not.

So I would choose the Ju-52 although it would bring nothing to enhance gameplay.

[Ghosth]

JU-52 was developed in the early 30's. Was first a passenger plane, then adapted to cargo/troop transport, etc as germany went to war.

Very similar to the C-47 in many respects except the c-47 outclasses it in design, engines, performance, etc. I'm sure the c-47 was designed at least 3 - 5 years after the ju-52.

[Crumpp]

So I would choose the Ju-52 although it would bring nothing to enhance gameplay.

When tour of Duty comes out it will enhance immersion.  Nothing looks worse than a flight of 109's escorting a C47.  The C-47 was used by every major combatant in WWII.  The Japanese even copied it.  The Germans and the Italians were the only ones who didn't.  Having the JU-52 and the C47 provides historically correct transport A/C that covers the entire spectrum of WWII.  
IMO HTC could even simply reskin the C47 and not have to completely redo a flight model from scratch.  

Crumpp

[SunTracker]

Ju52 has 3 engines crump, C47 has 2.

[Crumpp]

Yes,

I know that.  Do we really need HTC to spend time and resources researching the EXACT flight characteristics of the JU52?

It's place in the game is such that IMO, reskinning the C47 and adding some gauges to the cockpit would be fine.

Save the time and research for the fighters and bombers.

Crumpp

[artik]

Originally posted by Crumpp
It's place in the game is such that IMO, reskinning the C47 and adding some gauges to the cockpit would be fine.

That is the problem HTC doen't accpets any non-WW2/non-historical exact skins

We lost our toy for SEA/CT setup makers......

No longer any subsituations at CT/SEA
No longer any non-WW2 setups at CT/SEA

[Karnak]

Crump,

IIRC, Pyro did the FM for the Ju52 in WarBirds.

[HoHun]

Hi Hogenbor,

>Wasn't the 232 the glider and the 323 the motorized variant?

The Me 321 was the glider, and the Me 323 the  motorized variant.

>Compared to it's allied counterpart, the Ju-52 is based on much older methods of aircraft construction, dating back I believe to WWI even, when Junkers pioneered corrugated aluminium aircraft. In contrast the C-47 is state of the art for its time with stressed skin construction throughout. It is of course faster too.

Junkers built stressed skin aircraft from the beginning :-) But the corrugated skin, while giving a weight advantage, meant a big drag disadvantage at the speeds airliners reached in the 1930s. The Ju 52 wasn't able to compete commercially with the DC-3 airliners back then, and the Luft Hansa was already trying to get a more modern successor developed. The Focke-Wulf Fw 200 was designed as direct DC-3 competitor :-) (The contemporary German engines weren't powerful enough to yield high performance with a twin-engined layout.)

In the military role, the Junkers Ju 52 had only one advantage over the C-47: It could operate from smaller fields than the Douglas transport. That made the Ju 52 superior as tactical transport, but the C-47 of course was much more efficient logistically when good fields were available.

>The Me-232/323 is just steel tubing with canvas, I can imagine breaking it up with only the slightest amount of 'G' being applied.

Many tough planes were from steel tubing with canvas. Thoughness just depends on the steel-to-air ratio ;-)

>But still, the Ju-52 is historically highly significant and a cool plane to see. Still, it would only be an LW alternative to the C-47 and just as vulnerable.

If you're looking for something different, the Arado Ar 232 would be the way to go :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[Wotan]

Originally posted by Crumpp
When tour of Duty comes out it will enhance immersion.  Nothing looks worse than a flight of 109's escorting a C47.  The C-47 was used by every major combatant in WWII.  The Japanese even copied it.  The Germans and the Italians were the only ones who didn't.  Having the JU-52 and the C47 provides historically correct transport A/C that covers the entire spectrum of WWII.  
IMO HTC could even simply reskin the C47 and not have to completely redo a flight model from scratch.  

Crumpp

Theres no base capture in ToD so who cares?

[Raptor]

supplies

[Wotan]

waste of time and completely pointless. HT has said that an 8th airforce setup would most likely be first. Escorting ju52s would be a stupid mission to include that or any setup.

Especially when there are major gaps in the planeset as is. Not just for an 8th af set up but in most theaters.

Dont hold your breath on a ju52...

[B17Skull12]

ju52's make nice targets in il2:D

[GScholz]

Tante Ju is such a classic airplane. However if we get the Gigant we can bring along Leftenant Gruber and his little tank.