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« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2004, 06:30:38 PM »
Ramzey  tell us all, mexicos solution to people trying to cross their southern border.Maybe, what is good for the goose is good for the gander....would you like that?

 Midnight is right,and he is not 1 of the normal suspects so see elc. you have help from boths sides of isle.
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« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2004, 06:34:34 PM »
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I agree.  My original post was going to be to set up machine gun posts on the borders, but your idea is much better.

Heck, just put up a mine field. Works 24/7. Of course we'll have warning signs in different languages. anyone that's lucky enough to get through gets registered for citizenship. This way we can collect taxes on them.
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« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2004, 02:43:35 AM »
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Ramzey  tell us all, mexicos solution to people trying to cross their southern border.Maybe, what is good for the goose is good for the gander....would you like that?

 Midnight is right,and he is not 1 of the normal suspects so see elc. you have help from boths sides of isle.

sure, all countries do that
but noone have so great ideas to kill people crossing borders or build concentrations camps for them. Noone propose death penality for "recidivists" as som peoples on this forum did (som time ago)

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« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2004, 06:27:39 AM »
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Just curious, does anyone out there have any opinions on illegal immigration?  Does anybody care?  More information to follow depending on responses.



 This story was aired on KFI am radio three days ago.
TWO GROUPS OF MIDDLE-EASTERN INVADERS CAUGHT IN COCHISE COUNTY IN PAST SIX WEEKS


Information officer Andy Adame, from the Border Patrol Tucson sector says, “I guarantee it’s not true.”

However, seasoned Border Patrol field agents have shared some disturbing information with the Tumbleweed as well as other civilian sources with the hope the information will make it to the general public.
The Tumbleweed has verified information that a flood of middle-eastern males have been caught entering the country illegally east of Douglas, Arizona. The increased patrols in the Huachuca Mountains area of Cochise County, seems to have diverted the flow of OTM’s, “other than Mexicans” east to the Chiricahua Mountains.
Adame, who says many of the agents in the area are “green”, questions why they would have shared the information with the Tumbleweed or any other source. “Our policy is to turn any OTM’s over to the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security,” Adame said in a phone call made to the Tumbleweed Wednesday morning.
For reasons of National security, Adame said his agency cannot talk about the origin of nationaity, however Adame says that since October 1, 2003, the beginning of the fiscal year for Border Patrol, agents in the Tucson sector have apprehended 5,510 illegals from countries other than Mexico or other central or South American countries. Adame described them as “people from all over the world”.
In the last month, the Tumbleweed has confirmed at least two documented accounts of Border Patrol agents encountering large groups of non-Spanish speaking males in the Chiricahua foothills and on trails along the high mountain areas.
On or about the early morning hours of June 13, 2004 Border patrol agents from the Willcox station encountered a large group of suspected illegal border crossers, estimated to be around 158, just east of the Sanders Ranch near the foothills of the Chiricauha Mountains. 71 suspected illegal aliens were apprehended; among them were 53 males of middle-eastern descent.
According to a Border Patrol field agent, the men were suspected to be Iranian or possibly Syrian nationals. “One thing’s for sure: these guys didn’t speak Spanish and after we questioned them harder we discovered they spoke poor English with a middle-eastern accent; then we caught them speaking to each other in Arabic…this is ridiculous that we don't take this more seriously, and we’re told not to say a thing to the media, but I have to,” said the agent, who spoke to the Tumbleweed with the promise of anonymity.
Adame confirms the groups of illegals were apprehended on those dates in the same area but stated, “There were no middle easterners in the group. Every single one of them was Mexican.”
The field agent stated the men were wearing the traditional uniform of migrants - baseball caps, tennis shoes, some had work boots, denim jeans and many had t-shirts with patriotic American flags and slogans. The agent added the following description “A curious thing I noticed was that they all had brand new clothing and they looked as if they had just been to the barber shop--you know--new haircuts. They were clean cut and they all had almost the exact same cut of mustaches.”
The information was corroborated by a local rancher in the area who reports that sightings of groups similar to these are on the rise. The rancher reports that groups of heavily armed paramilitary drug smugglers have also been seen in the same area.
“We’ve had groups in the hundreds coming through again. They were gone for awhile but now they're back. And of course we have the drug mules again and many are carrying automatic weapons. Many other ranchers in the area have been frustrated with the lack of response from Border Patrol. After calling over and over again to the Willcox headquarters, we might get a response a few hours later. We call them in to the Border Patrol, we only have the Willcox station, and they’re so darned far away. By the time they send in the helicopters these groups are long gone. I don’t know how many they catch but they’re coming through here heavy right now.”
On or about the evening of June 21, 2004, agents from the Willcox Border Patrol station apprehended 24 members of a larger group of Arabic speaking males located just east of the Pierce/Sunsites area of Cochise County. At least half of the males escaped capture and disappeared into the United States.

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« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2004, 06:55:27 AM »
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It would be so easy to stem the flow: just start prosecuting those who hire illegal immigrants, nail them with hefty fines.  Pretty soon no one would hire them and they would stay on their side of the border.  We have poor people of our own who need jobs, we don't need to import even poorer people.

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So if in US someone hires a illegal border-crosser he/she won't be sued? What does IRS say? Are they paying taxes from their income?

IMHO illegal immigrants are quite big problem: their employer pays them less (no taxes I presume?) so the company can also offer its services with cheaper price than one which pays all taxes and pays reasonable wage.
This puts law obeying companies in quite bad situation; either hire your own illegal workers or let the business die cause you can't compete with companies using cheap labour.
Also why would anyone pay a cleaning lady 10$/h if you can hire a alien with 5$/h so they also push the wages down...  
I'd say you do have a problem you need to solve.

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« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2004, 07:06:38 AM »
Illegal immigrants...

How funny this is comming from a population who massacred the locals and are ALL immigrants.
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« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2004, 07:46:32 AM »
It wasn't this population that massacred the locals.

It was a bunch of Yuropeans who landed in a place where the locals had no immigration laws that massacred said locals.

See the danger?  ;)
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« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2004, 09:35:20 AM »
lol :D
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« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2004, 09:38:17 AM »
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Just curious, does anyone out there have any opinions on illegal immigration?  Does anybody care?  More information to follow depending on responses.
 

 hmm i got some yard work needs done

j/k:lol

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« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2004, 10:02:23 AM »
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Illegal immigrants...

How funny this is comming from a population who massacred the locals and are ALL immigrants.


We just wanna make sure that it does not happen to us now:aok   we are plannaing ahead! :D

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« Reply #56 on: July 30, 2004, 10:13:54 AM »
Land Mine the borders....problem solved!

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« Reply #57 on: July 30, 2004, 10:38:55 AM »
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Land Mine the borders....problem solved!

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if a guy is hungry enough he'll find a way through.

the only way to control illegal immigration is if they have no reason to come here.    

make the fines for hiring an illegal about the same cost as hiring 2 legal workers, full-time for a year.  add a bit of jail time on that, and enforce it rabidly.

if there are no jobs waiting for them they will have no reason to invade our country.

the argument could be made that we need immigrants to do the low paying jobs (personally I don't agree, raise the wages enough and you will find Americans willing to do them), but you sure don't need illegals immigrants.  as it, is it's very difficult to immigrate here legally, a lot of the reason for that is we have no need for more immigrants because the illegal (and undocumented) immigrants already have the jobs.  

if we cracked down on illegal immigration, this would not only benefit the American workers but also those who are willing to immigrate properly  not to mention the huge increase in national security by putting a huge dent in the number of people who live  in our country and for whom we have no record of until they get arrested or need welfare.

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« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2004, 10:56:50 AM »
There's huge change coming.

I talked with a John Deere guy that told me JD has put up 3 big GPS towers. Why? With satellites and "known location" ground GPS they've developed what amounts to an "autopilot" for steering farm equipment. How good? It'll track within 3 inches over a mile. At present, they can farm a field with the operator only needing to turn the machine around at the end of the field. The machine itself steers back to the correct row from there.

The result is that they think they'll be able to plant and harvest strawberries, a notoriously delicate crop, using mechanical equipment alone.

Farming is going to require far less manpower in the not too distant future.

This is just one example. I think we're at the opening stages of a second Industrial Revolution or perhaps the Electronic Industrial Revolution.

Like the first one, a lot of jobs are going to disappear and the challenge will be finding entirely new jobs to replace them.
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« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2004, 12:08:19 PM »
Mining companies and tunnel builders are already using lasers;  30ton (metric) vehicle can follow the beam with accuracy of few millimeters.

Differential-GPS is pretty good and with computerized "autopilot" I don't think there needs to be anyone turning the vehicle around at the end of the field.

Paper manufacturers and large warehouses are already using robotic transport vehicles which can operate independently without humans anywhere near.
I've worked in a storage which had space for 10000 pallets and daily traffic was 1500-2000 pallets and that all needed 2-3 guys to run the systems per shift + couple mechanics to take care of conveyor rails and belts.

Bad thing with systems like that is that they're not too fault tolerant; one lightning strike anywhere inside few kilometers from warehouse usually shut down all systems and it took hours to get them back online IF there weren't any burnt electronic equipments.
You can use as good power regulators you like but somehow lightning ALWAYS brokes something which drives systems down.
When we had forklifts&all people just put lights on and continued driving if we lost electricity...

Found a pic... already over 10 years old technology; in new plant the pallets are  moving in a "ski-lifts"; they are in a "hook" hanging from a "monorail" at the ceiling... Nice technology; if computer thinks one of the "ski-lifts" behave strangely it steers it to the side rail away from main-line... then a mechanic (still human!) can fix it.
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