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Offline Toad

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« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2004, 12:48:57 PM »
Didn't see it, so I read it.

First part, pretty typical Horatio Alger approach. Smooth, good lead-in.

Then this cheap shot jumps out at me:

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that our votes will he counted — or at least, most of the time.


The recounts showed Bush winning. The SC decided. If the Dems are ever going to appeal me, they have to "get over it". They didn't get "robbed" and the continual crying that they do/did makes them look pathetic in my eyes. If the results had been Gore winning through the exact same process, would they be complaining that Gore won unfairly? Not a chance. And if you can't "flip" the result and still be in favor of it, they you are lying to yourself.

Same with the "Gore won the popular vote"; if that's supposed to mean something, all it means to me is that these folks that want their party to hold the highest office in the land don't understand our electoral system.

So, a minus for Obama here; he's just prattling the "party line" and looking stupid for doing so. IMO.

Second thing that jumps out is the "jobs" issue. Anyone who thinks a particular person or party is going to solve the problem of good paying jobs going overseas simply doesn't understand the "global economy" and "free trade" issues as they exist/are practiced right now in the USA. It isn't going to change. Period.  If you can't figure out why, then do some more study on free trade and the price of labor in underdeveloped countries. As for the idea of taxing US companies more if they produce overseas.. yeah, you can do that for a short time. You do realize there's no way to stop an "American" company from becoming say, a Chinese or Mexican company, right?

He's absolutely right that we don't really give our soldiers and their families the money and respect they deserve. Of course, one has to recall which party is more likely to OK more money for the defense budget. Still, he has a good point here and it's good to hear a Democrat say it for a change.

Lastly, his Red State/Blue State commentary shows, to me, a complete misunderstanding of why which states are which color. That ties into his "people don't expect government to solve all their problems" statement, which I also find off-base.

Now, he may be a wonderful speaker...... which alone might be a welcome change for either party... but his ideas were pretty much what I'd expect to hear from a speaker at the DNC.

I'm not amazed at his insights or eager to hear more.

It was just a political speech for Dems. IMO.
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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2004, 01:12:42 PM »
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I just don't understand what the hangup is over labels. Why do you guys feel compelled to be labelled?

I don't feel liberal or conservative are "dirty" words. But why the compulsion to box yourself in with a label?


It's probably been that way since the beginning of man. The 'us against them' mentality. 'They' are usually always wrong, evil, etc., while 'we' are usually always right, good, etc.
The need to label people into only a couple of groups (liberal or conservative, good or bad) is usually done by the weak-minded that are either too lazy and/or stupid to deal with complex issues.
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« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2004, 01:21:20 PM »
SauroS uses an example of his own theory when he labels the labelers as "weak-minded"  :)


I agree with his basic point--it's human nature.  And in many cases it's helpful.

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« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2004, 01:28:42 PM »
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SauroS uses an example of his own theory when he labels the labelers as "weak-minded"  :)


I agree with his basic point--it's human nature.  And in many cases it's helpful.

J_A_B


Anyone that tries to pigeon-hole complex issues into simplistic often inaccurate 'either/or' labels is being weak-minded. ;)
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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2004, 01:33:13 PM »
Obama is tryin' ta be white what with all dat booklearnin!

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« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2004, 01:37:46 PM »
Geez guys, even I could sniff out Rip's troll.
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« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2004, 04:33:17 PM »
Wankle    re: hard time deciding.


    Why would you have a hard time deciding? Even though he is a rising star, well educated speaker, and may not be a jj clone . He is still a democrete[he he].I dont know much about him but his partys values are still the same.Now I would like to see him and condaleza rice run,she is 1 smart lady,liked the way she handled that dumb laywer on 9/11 commision.

TOAD   re:  going a little further

    The florida court ruled  unlawfully .The chief justist of the supreme court of florida himself a lib. dem. said [paraphasing but close] The florida court has made a ruleing that has no bases in law, and will undoubtfully result in hurting America now and in the near future.I have no doubt but that the U. S. supreme court will have no choice but to overule this court.[said more] And they did 7 to 2.
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