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Offline TweetyBird

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« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2004, 12:27:20 AM »
>>Don't fret... Your daughter will not be giving a blow-job to a gay Cuban based on anything she might learn from CNN or FOX or the Democrats.
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I hope that was wry and not meant to paint the concern as superficial.

A lot of "changes" in idealogy that are presented by the media are smoke and mirror illusions. Think of Massachusetts, with all its Kennedy bread open minded liberals. Then remember the bussing riots of the early 1970's. Then think of the redneck deep south Louisianians, who's Catholic schools were intergrated in 1962 - two years before it was federaly mandated.
In fact, Arch Bishop Rummel excumunicated the few parish officials ( and a lawyers group) who would not go along with the desegragation - in *1962* deep in the redneck south.

The point here is the change happened on a personal, moral level. Not a federal madate of "how you should think."

Morality is not superficial. Its not always right either but I believe I have a right to it if isn't hurting another citizen. My morality is my identity, and its worth no less than yours. I really wish it would be removed from what is superficial - politics.

I really don't care about another persons sexual orientation, but I'll be damned if I give up the right to explain it my child. I'll be damned if I let the state handle that.
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« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2004, 12:30:13 AM »
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Yeah but Bodhi - It wasn't about you.... so I'm not sure why you decided to take it personally.

In fact... The poster of the pic in question has made several references to my past, post-clean...

So maybe there's more to it than meets the eye?


Anyone that chooses to pick at your past is a bastard that is undeserving of any compassion or forgiveness for any mistake in their life.

I can not begin to tell you how much I envy you Nash, why you were able to survive, and my brother not is something that will continuely baffle me till my lifes end...  Ya see the reason I took an interest in you is that you remind me so much of my brother... alive... and a vibrant personality... I learned more over the past 18 months, more that allowed me to see the "you" that I respect to this day.  

Frankly were we in a room and someone ragged you about your past to cause harm... they would find it hard to walk out of the room uunder their own power.  I respect your acomplishemnt Nash, but better yet, I the recoverd you.
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« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2004, 12:32:11 AM »
Ya forgot one more important thing... he's got a damned sexy voice. ;)
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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2004, 12:32:52 AM »
Great post and I salute you Tweety.

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[BThe point here is the change happened on a personal, moral level. Not a federal madate of "how you should think."
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Amen...

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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2004, 12:36:26 AM »
Thanks Bodhi... so much.

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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2004, 12:42:18 AM »
Nash, I too you if you are recovering (or trying to recover), and my prayers are with you. Very recently, there was a tragedy in my family, and I appreciate the battle you go through. Fight the good fight - never give up.

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« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2004, 01:08:44 AM »
Alotta you aren't gonna be able to relate to this...

er maybe that's not so true... It depends....

Lets see...

Has anyone of you lost a loved one, dear to you? How about a failed relationship? A job you cherished...

Something significant.

The first long while, you think about it every day.

Months go by, and gawdammit in some small way it still creeps into your thoughts.

You start to think about the day that you look back a day and say "my god, I didn't think about it at all yesterday!"

But you just did....

You start to suspect that this conundrum occupies a more nagging position than the actual reason for the manifestation of the conundrum.

I haven't yet not thought about heroin each and every day.

But I think that I am no longer thinking about heroin, but of the thoughts of it.

Each day I get closer to forgetting... but like someone you love breaking up with you, or dying, there is this thing that grabs you just before drifting to sleep...

"You almost went through an entire day without thinking of me."

Fortunately (or unfortunately) I know exactly how this plays out.

One day I'll be walking down the street and it will hit me like a ton of bricks... "You didn't think about it at ALL yesterday."

That realization will cause further weeks of thinking about it... But its hold is now gone. It's no longer a subconscious happening... It's a matter of clinging.

And the days spent not thinking about it will begin to outnumber the days spent thinking about it...

Until finally, it'll be a forced memory... Much like one reminisces about an old girlfriend.

Had a coupla nice dances, but thank god ya didn't marry the biatch.

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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2004, 01:19:46 AM »
>>Has anyone of you lost a loved one, dear to you? How about a failed relationship? A job you cherished...

Something significant.
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Yes. July 17. I watched him die for 35 years.

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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2004, 02:16:54 AM »
Lets not forget who started the mess in Iraq in the first place and sold the world on a bunch of lies. Or tried to.





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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2004, 02:25:51 AM »
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Lets not forget who started the mess in Iraq in the first place and sold the world on a bunch of lies. Or tried to.

...-Gixer


Good point, that would be Saddam Hussein.

If he was clean and smart after the first Gulf War none of this sanctions, inspections, UN resolutions, no fly zones, cruise missle attacks, bombings, deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis and finally the invasion need not have happened.

BTW if you are, as I suspect, trying to make some cheap point by saying Bush is the one who lied to us then lets not forget that the illustrious Senator Kerry not only lied right along with him wrt to WMD but also authorized the war with his Senate votes - he shares a part in same responsibilty for this "mess." If you dont belive that was his stance up to the war, please look at Senator Kerry's own words presented in the video.
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« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2004, 02:44:17 AM »
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Alotta you aren't gonna be able to relate to this...

er maybe that's not so true... It depends....

Lets see...

Has anyone of you lost a loved one, dear to you? How about a failed relationship? A job you cherished...

Something significant.

...


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« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2004, 02:45:38 AM »
LOL Grun,

Sadam? Iraq was a war of choice, all the terror,wmd's are just an excuse. Proved to be a bunch of lies and there's yet to be any evidence found at all to back them up.

Funniest thing is that prior to 9/11 Powell and Rice both quoted as saying Sadam wasn't a threat. Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror. Other then to give OBL a early xmas gift. Divide the world,ruin US credibilty and support around the world and overall create a massive mess. Not to mention the ever growing numbers of dead,maimed and wounded.

It's just a big con, surely with all the evidence since and current affairs around the world even you can see that? Please don't tell me you feel safer today because you invaded Iraq?



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« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2004, 03:27:26 AM »
So all the fuss about Iraq in the 1990s after the first Gulf War was for nothing?

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« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2004, 05:33:45 AM »
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Lets not forget who started the mess in Iraq in the first place and sold the world on a bunch of lies. Or tried to.





...-Gixer


acting on the available intel which later may or may not be false does not equal "sold the world on a bunch of lies"

sound like another brain dead moore-on fan

if the intel would have been 100% accurate and Bush did not act, and the unthinkable did happen - Bush would have been hung from the highest dogwood tree in DC with me slapping the horse's arse he was sitting on ...

sometimes you are "damned if you do and damned if you don't" ... We need a Leader with the fortitude to Lead  not change his stance with every political wind whether that wind is domestic or international
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« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2004, 05:54:35 AM »
"sound like another brain dead moore-on fan"

That's a good one, Moore-on very funny you thinik of that one yourself or is that one going around the republican message boards?

Actually I saw 9/11 and thought it was pretty poor other then for the bit with Britney chewing gum, her B neckless and bimbo sounding voice and praise for the president.




...-Gixer