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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2004, 10:04:18 AM »
What's this have to do with Israel?
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2004, 10:09:48 AM »
Israel took out similar facility in Iraq.
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2004, 11:08:44 AM »
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What's this have to do with Israel?


everything, and with it the US

Israel accuses Iran of resuming suspect nuclear activities

Israel tells of Iran nuclear fear

bigger news than Iraq today if you ask me ...
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2004, 11:13:12 AM »
does Israel have Nuclear Weapons? officialy i mean.
The statement below is true.
The statement above is false.

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2004, 11:14:35 AM »
Iran participated in strikes against the Iraqi eactors, and co-ordinated with Israel.

I suspect Iran will have learnt from that Iraqi experience, and made it much harder to take out heir nuclear facilities with a pre emptive strike.

Given the way things have gone in Iraq, an invasion of Iran is out of the question, an air campaign against them probably is as well. With US troops on the ground in Iraq, any move against Iran is unlikely.

I hink one of the biggest long term problems to come out of the war in Iraq is it's stopped any decisive action against Iran aquiring nukes.

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2004, 11:21:31 AM »
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does Israel have Nuclear Weapons? officialy i mean.


Officially?  No.

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2004, 11:26:40 AM »
Will be interesting to see how this plays out. The Israelis aren't known for being fettered by dimplomatic rigamarole when action seems necessary.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2004, 01:34:24 PM »
Because the US vetos any attempt at diplomatic preasure against isreal.
Otherwise they would be under boycot.

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2004, 02:14:38 PM »
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Because the US vetos any attempt at diplomatic preasure against isreal.
Otherwise they would be under boycot.



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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2004, 02:37:40 PM »
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Because the US vetos any attempt at diplomatic preasure against isreal.
Otherwise they would be under boycot.


And we will continue to veto any pressure while prompting Israel to bomb them if they need to.

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2004, 02:47:38 PM »
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I hink one of the biggest long term problems to come out of the war in Iraq is it's stopped any decisive action against Iran aquiring nukes.


I think just the opposite

no ground troops but I am sure our flyboys could use their a to g systems without to much trouble
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2004, 04:27:53 PM »
So - they have to attack at least the following cities where installations are built or actually under construction:

Bushir
Teheran
Ramsar
Bonab
Natanz
Arak
Isfahan
Ahvaz


Maybe it would be more effective to ask the foreign nations who help Iran in their nuclear program to stop the support.

Like Russia, China, Northkorea, France, Germany and so on.


Btw - Iran has actually missiles with the range to hit Israel and also biological and chemical weapon systems.
They havent used them, if I am right.

Why should they ?

Even while Iran declared Israel an official enemy the jewish state helps Iran politicly because it keeps the real enemy of Iran very busy: The arabs.

So the last thing Iran would do is attacking Israel or trying to destroy it. They serve the political interests of Iran well - as they did in the past.


You make the mistake to combine Iran and Arabs or thinking that they are united because they are muslims (while ignoring the fact that shiites and sunnites consider the other side as heretics).

One simple example:
During the war of Armenia and Azerbeidjan Iran supported the orthodox-christian Armenia and not the sunnite-islamic Azerbeidjan. Weapons, money and all other support was given to Armenia.

Iranian policy is not so primitive to say : "Hey - there are christians and the other are muslims, so lets beat the christians."

And another thing to remind:
Iran has never attacked another country in the last 100 years.
But it was attacked so often in the last 100 years.

We even declared our neutrality in both world wars - but these declarations were ignored.

In the 1st WW the Ottoman Empire, zaristic Russia and England fought battles in north-Iran.

And in WW2, when Iran refused to join the Allies and declare war to Germany the soviets and the British invaded the country, forced the Shah to resign and installed his son as a puppet who then joined the Allied and declared war to the Reich.

After WW2 Iran turned to the USA and for a while it seemed that Iran has a good chance.

In the 50ties the Shah was deposed in an unbloody revolution by the premier Mossadegh and Iran was on the way to democracy.

But then the CIA arranged the reinstallation of the Shah and the secret police SAVAK was killing thousands of iranians year by year while the western nations were so fascinating of the handsome iranian king and his wife.

The command centre of the CIA during the coup was in the US-embassy in Teheran - another fact which the iranian learned.

So when the shah was finally deposed in the bloody revolution it was wrong but logical that also the embassy was attacked.
Iran slipped into the next terror regime of the Mullahs, in a war, when the country was attacked by Saddam.

It was under attack of missiles with gas during the war ahgainst iranian cities - and the world didnt care because Iran was the bad guy and Iraq with Saddam the good guy.

And today Iran has to see what happened to Afghanistan and Iraq.
No democracy , no hope for the future. Again in both countries corrupt criminals are ruling and causing terror.
In Afghanistan the warlords and even the Taliban are producing drugs to poison the whole world and get money for their armies and pityful little wars.

In Iraq the three groups are still fighting and the puppetregime of Alawi is as accepted as the powerless man called Hemed Karzai in Kabul.

And also it could be seen that a terroristic country like Northkorea is not touched because of its nuclear arsenal.

So maybe - just maybe - some iranian analysts think that nuclear weapons could be an effective defensive weapon.

The sad thing is that Iran is actually trying to get the mullahs off power and bringing the country to democracy.

But all these efforts would stop when Iran is attacked by foreigners.
So I am sure that the mullahs indeed hope that some israeli or US cruise missiles hit an iranian installation to manipulate the people.

And that is this is the stupidy if you put Iran to the Arabs or really believing that they have any interest to destroy Israel.

Policy is much more complicated - not a simple black and white.

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2004, 05:14:08 PM »
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I think just the opposite

no ground troops but I am sure our flyboys could use their a to g systems without to much trouble


If the US bombs Iran whilst still in Iraq, you'll get a shia uprising in Iraq that makes al Sadr's efforts of last April look tame.

You migh not get any casualties amongt the pilots, but you'll get plenty amogst the troops on the gound in Iraq.

I doubt the US will bomb Iran before pulling the majority of its troops out of Iraq, and I doubt they'll let the Israelis do it either.

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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2004, 05:16:25 PM »
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sorry we're not going to let you help get the jews killed...


Give me a freaking break.